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  • Everything should be permitted that doesn't "harm others"

    32 68.09%
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    10 21.28%
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    Re: Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Actually, once they removed themselves from the equation, as a result of their stupidity, society would probably function better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonI View Post
    I think one of the biggest problems with legalizing drugs and all these other things is, what would we do with all these prisons? This is BIG BUSINESS!!! Wall Street has been noticing this over the last 10 yrs and is lobbying hard to privatize more and more of them. This is already a breeding ground for corruption, just think how much worse it would be once it's privatized...People think we are building more prisoners because more people are breaking the law when it's pretty clear that our gov't is creating more laws to fill up more prisons...
    I believe that the profit incentive is actually the primary, if unspoken, motive behind the current anti-legalization mindset. Not just private corporations, but public employee unions as well.

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    Re: Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    If somebody were to "die on the street", would you leave them there to decay and cause very real potential harm to YOU and and your family in the form of disease from the unsanitary conditions? Or, would you rather the taxpayer kick in something for the common good and at least properly dispose of the body?
    Dying in the street was a figure of speech, but yes, public safety is a proper use of taxpayer funds. The family could get the body to bury it, or we could burn it to dispose of it.
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    Re: Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"?

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonI View Post
    I think one of the biggest problems with legalizing drugs and all these other things is, what would we do with all these prisons? This is BIG BUSINESS!!! Wall Street has been noticing this over the last 10 yrs and is lobbying hard to privatize more and more of them. This is already a breeding ground for corruption, just think how much worse it would be once it's privatized...People think we are building more prisoners because more people are breaking the law when it's pretty clear that our gov't is creating more laws to fill up more prisons...
    This is actually a point that I agree on with drugs. Many corporations want more prisons because it makes them money and they keep putting their money in the pockets of politicians. All of this happens at the expense of a huge portion of society (often on certain racial lines) who end up in jail for drug crimes. It is, as you say, a breeding ground for corruption and legalizing drugs would crush it. Such legalization would also take out the huge distraction of the drug trade from those poorer and often black/Hispanic neighborhoods.

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    Re: Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    This is actually a point that I agree on with drugs. Many corporations want more prisons because it makes them money and they keep putting their money in the pockets of politicians. All of this happens at the expense of a huge portion of society (often on certain racial lines) who end up in jail for drug crimes. It is, as you say, a breeding ground for corruption and legalizing drugs would crush it. Such legalization would also take out the huge distraction of the drug trade from those poorer and often black/Hispanic neighborhoods.
    I remember back in the mid '90s, they passed a law basically saying that crack cocaine was 100 times worse than powder cocaine and sentences should be based on that...that was clearly going to affect minorities more...in 2010, Obama changed the law a bit, making it almost equal in comparison to previous legislation, but it is still skewed which it shouldn't be...

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    Re: Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"?

    In general, I would say the government should not prohibit things that don't harm others. But, as always, there are some grey areas. I can imagine a situation where there is a drug that has a 50% chance of killing you each time you take it. I wouldn't object to the government outlawing the sale of such a drug.
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    Re: Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"?

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonI View Post
    I remember back in the mid '90s, they passed a law basically saying that crack cocaine was 100 times worse than powder cocaine and sentences should be based on that...that was clearly going to affect minorities more...in 2010, Obama changed the law a bit, making it almost equal in comparison to previous legislation, but it is still skewed which it shouldn't be...
    Do you have firsthand experience with drug addiction, like opioid based? As people mature and gain life experience they're less likely to become slaves to chemicals that appear to help cope with life. But at younger ages they're much more susceptible and likely to do irreparable harm to both their physical and mental health, family life and careers. Personally, I'd destroy the use of drugs for recreational experience on a global scale if allowed because they're the scourge of human kind.

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    Re: Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Do you have firsthand experience with drug addiction, like opioid based? As people mature and gain life experience they're less likely to become slaves to chemicals that appear to help cope with life. But at younger ages they're much more susceptible and likely to do irreparable harm to both their physical and mental health, family life and careers. Personally, I'd destroy the use of drugs for recreational experience on a global scale if allowed because they're the scourge of human kind.

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    I'm not sure what your point has to do with mine...To answer you question, no, I have never had a drug addiction of any kind...I would be surprised to find out that addiction to prescription drugs is more prevalent in youths than adults...

    Thanks for your opinion...

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    Re: Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"?

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonI View Post
    I'm not sure what your point has to do with mine...To answer you question, no, I have never had a drug addiction of any kind...I would be surprised to find out that addiction to prescription drugs is more prevalent in youths than adults...

    Thanks for your opinion...
    If you were ever seriously addicted you might question the idea of making potent drugs cheaper and easier to acquire. Prescription drugs are starting to get harder to acquire from the medical profession and cost so much on the streets, that most pain pill addicts who aren't substantially wealthy have to turn to a cheaper product like heroin. Marijuana, alcohol and tobacco are so ingrained in our culture that they would be difficult to eliminate, though a 20+ year battle on tobacco is turning the corner.
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    Re: Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    If you were ever seriously addicted you might question the idea of making potent drugs cheaper and easier to acquire. Prescription drugs are starting to get harder to acquire from the medical profession and cost so much on the streets, that most pain pill addicts who aren't substantially wealthy have to turn to a cheaper product like heroin. Marijuana, alcohol and tobacco are so ingrained in our culture that they would be difficult to eliminate, though a 20+ year battle on tobacco is turning the corner.
    I don't remember where I made the statement that I want potent drugs to be cheaper and easier to acquire...

    do you think marijuana is worse for you than alcohol and tobacco?

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    Re: Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"?

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonI View Post
    I don't remember where I made the statement that I want potent drugs to be cheaper and easier to acquire...

    do you think marijuana is worse for you than alcohol and tobacco?

    Do you have any experience with marijuana?
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