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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And we see what we want to see.

    I was on one of those ships too NP. Remember? I've told you many times that guys tend to see one or two women out of 50 getting pregnant (and not necessarily on purpose) as some sort of proof that all or most try to get pregnant to get off the ship or out of deployment. It is plain BS. Maybe some do get pregnant to get out of deployment, just like those guys who smoke pot or try to get injured to get out of deployment. But most women would never consider getting pregnant, particularly if they are single, just to get out of deployment.

    Both sexes have the ****bags who don't want to do their jobs. Doesn't mean that some or even most women do or even try to do something that will get them out of deployment.
    I am just telling you what the guy told me.....Of course you not going to agree with it.......I was at lunch the other day at the Naval Hospital and for the first time in my life I saw a pregnant CPO...........Can you imagine the laughs in the old days in the Chief's mess about a pregnant chief..........Most in this forum would not understand because they probably don't even know what a Chief is but it would have been a riot............
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I am just telling you what the guy told me.....Of course you not going to agree with it.......I was at lunch the other day at the Naval Hospital and for the first time in my life I saw a pregnant CPO...........Can you imagine the laughs in the old days in the Chief's mess about a pregnant chief..........Most in this forum would not understand because they probably don't even know what a Chief is but it would have been a riot............
    Yeah, because in your day there were very few female Chiefs to begin with. I'm pretty sure female Chiefs back then weren't treated well at all.

    It's absolutely despicable that you feel it is your place to judge that a Chief should not be getting pregnant, when you likely have no idea if that woman was on a sea duty or shore duty, just because you don't think it's right. Women have just as much of a right to start families while in that men do. Many women wait til they are on shore duty or at least in a position while at a sea command to do so without affecting her ability to actually contribute to the command. Stop judging people on assumptions that you feel it is your place to make.
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Actually the 'keep 'em out of combat ground units' crowd seems to be grasping at straws. Reminds me of the fight to keep blacks out of combat units. First it was 'they can't operate complex equipment', then 'they are not as brave as whites', then finally it would hurt combat effectiveness.

    The only thing stopping women from serving in combat units is not lifting a 100 tube but rather knocking down a few hardliners who refuse to admit there is nothing stopping women from serving in combat units other than male pride or resentment.
    Scientific evidence from 3 different Western Country's study's say the vast majority of women are not physically up to being in ground combat units. The Russians and Israelis both pulled females out of combat units after using them. Israel went even farther and called it a mistake in the first place. So who is grasping at straws?
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Still can't change history bro. Once again you forget when the breadkdown of an Army takes place it is every man for themselves
    that is utter crap, and the best example I can think of to demonstrate otherwise is the night drops of the air-borne units into Normandy. Dropped miles away from their organic units and further miles away from their assigned objectives with no obvious chain of command in site, in pitch darkness, surrounded by superior organized forces, if ever there was a time and a place when The Rise Of Ever Man For Himself would have led everyone to become a "Call of Duty" character, that was it.

    INSTEAD they responded to their training, formed ad-hoc "little groups of paratroopers", reestablished all the command they could, with Corporals and Sergeants taking charge, and went out to create utter havoc. They performed far above expectations and managed to keep their casualties far below pre-drop estimations because they were disciplined soldiers who did not break apart in the face of chaos.

    because they were soldiers.

    historically, when armies have broken down into "every man for themselves" is usually about 30 seconds before they get massacred.

    As to Special Forces and Rangers.....yes I know. But now you are talking about Warrior/Soldiers The Elites. Not a regular grunt.
    yes. and I have worked with and know Rangers, Recon, SEALs, and Special Forces. not because I'm some kind of bad-ass (I decided right after SOI that my level of motivation had limits), but because I have had friends who are, and been at the right place and time to work with others. They train as a team and they do it obsessively, because hard-won experience has demonstrated to them again and again that your Individual Warrior Duking It Out Rambo Style image is utter crap.

    Again you talking semantics. Not to mention you cannot get around the Israelis and S Koreans who have been doing so with women for years. Kinda blows that theory of yours out of the water about cohesion and distractions.
    As Blackdog points out, the Israelis and the Russians both realized that it was a problem and pulled them out. As I have pointed out to you, both only put them in in times of extreme duress when there was nobody else to throw in the line.

    Not to mention I was warring long time before I joined Uncle Sam's Gang
    what a fascinating claim. perhaps you can provide some details, because you sound like a kid who plays video games.

    So I know all about a different type of soldier mentality. The difference was with the time. Back in the day no child could just run around and grab some sword or weapon and start weilding it or using it on others.

    In todays day and age, any 6yr old kid can pick up a gun and start shooting people with it.

    Women back then trained just as hard as men who fought in battle. Some were shield-mates to their husbands. One woman would lead thousands of warriors and gain a Throne.
    yeah. Boadicea, for example, led a horde of warriors against Roman Soldiers. how did she do, again?


    oh yeah. the Romans were outnumbered more than ten to one, and yet they utterly massacred all those "warriors". Tacitus records 400 Roman fatalities measured against nearly 80,000 Britons.

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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    well disciplined units have consistently destroyed forces made up of "warriors". even when significantly outnumbered - because at the point of impact the team always outweighs each individual it comes across.

    what military and branch were you a grunt in that they trained you so poorly so as to think this kind of crap?

    which is why you had to increasingly try to come up with bizzare "well if there were no guns and it was all edged weapons and the individual warrior had trained for 20 years and was against a small unit that the warrior was allowed to attack in a jungle environment...." etc. as though that had any resemblance to modern combat.


    Still can't change history bro. Once again you forget when the breadkdown of an Army takes place it is every man for themselves. As to Special Forces and Rangers.....yes I know. But now you are talking about Warrior/Soldiers The Elites. Not a regular grunt. Again you talking semantics. Not to mention you cannot get around the Israelis and S Koreans who have been doing so with women for years. Kinda blows that theory of yours out of the water about cohesion and distractions.

    Not to mention I was warring long time before I joined Uncle Sam's Gang. So I know all about a different type of soldier mentality. The difference was with the time. Back in the day no child could just run around and grab some sword or weapon and start weilding it or using it on others. In todays day and age, any 6yr old kid can pick up a gun and start shooting people with it.

    Women back then trained just as hard as men who fought in battle. Some were shield-mates to their husbands. One woman would lead thousands of warriors and gain a Throne.
    when the breakdown of the army occurs,then next highest ranking takes his place,if you sqyad goes to combat with a LT and one e-5 and both die and the rest are privates,the first person to raise their hand and accept responsibility takes charge.

    when i was in afghanistan i was demoted to e-1 after i got e-2 back i was put incharge of a maintanance squad because i was the most experienced,and the other squads got jealous an e-2 was outperforming everyone with a aquad of extra duty e-1 soldiers vs specialists and sergeants.

    point is the army has a leadership plan all the way down till every last person is dead.
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Still can't change history bro. Once again you forget when the breadkdown of an Army takes place it is every man for themselves. As to Special Forces and Rangers.....yes I know. But now you are talking about Warrior/Soldiers The Elites. Not a regular grunt. Again you talking semantics. Not to mention you cannot get around the Israelis and S Koreans who have been doing so with women for years. Kinda blows that theory of yours out of the water about cohesion and distractions.
    What part of "the Israelis pulled women out of combat and said it was a mistake" are you not understanding? The Russians also followed suit. Then the best laugh is you want to use North Korea as an example? The same country that is starving it's own people?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Not to mention I was warring long time before I joined Uncle Sam's Gang. So I know all about a different type of soldier mentality. The difference was with the time. Back in the day no child could just run around and grab some sword or weapon and start weilding it or using it on others. In todays day and age, any 6yr old kid can pick up a gun and start shooting people with it.
    You were "warring?" Is that even a word? And what the hell does a 6 year old picking up a gun have to do with anything? That is just insane disconnected rambling.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Women back then trained just as hard as men who fought in battle. Some were shield-mates to their husbands.
    "A shieldmaiden was a woman who had chosen to fight as a warrior in Scandinavian folklore and mythology." - Shieldmaiden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    One woman would lead thousands of warriors and gain a Throne.
    You mean Joan of Arc? Who carried a banner into battle on horseback rather than a sword because she did not want to hurt anyone? They were inspired by her because they thought she was a saint. Not because she was a warrior or soldier.

    You are going to have to do way better than that.
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Scientific evidence from 3 different Western Country's study's say the vast majority of women are not physically up to being in ground combat units. The Russians and Israelis both pulled females out of combat units after using them. Israel went even farther and called it a mistake in the first place. So who is grasping at straws?
    The Russians never had coed units. They fielded all female units.
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    well disciplined units have consistently destroyed forces made up of "warriors". even when significantly outnumbered - because at the point of impact the team always outweighs each individual it comes across.

    what military and branch were you a grunt in that they trained you so poorly so as to think this kind of crap?
    I would love to know what unit you served in that makes you some kind of expert.




    Still can't change history bro. Once again you forget when the breadkdown of an Army takes place it is every man for themselves. As to Special Forces and Rangers.....yes I know. But now you are talking about Warrior/Soldiers The Elites. Not a regular grunt. Again you talking semantics. Not to mention you cannot get around the Israelis and S Koreans who have been doing so with women for years. Kinda blows that theory of yours out of the water about cohesion and distractions.

    Not to mention I was warring long time before I joined Uncle Sam's Gang. So I know all about a different type of soldier mentality. The difference was with the time. Back in the day no child could just run around and grab some sword or weapon and start weilding it or using it on others. In todays day and age, any 6yr old kid can pick up a gun and start shooting people with it.

    Women back then trained just as hard as men who fought in battle. Some were shield-mates to their husbands. One woman would lead thousands of warriors and gain a Throne.
    Elite units and regular line units have the same organization and rely on discipline and unit cohesion the same way.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Russians never had coed units. They fielded all female units.
    So what? Has nothing at all to do with my comments or the evidence. In the end they also quickly removed them from combat duty as soon as they could as did the Israelis.
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I would love to know what unit you served in that makes you some kind of expert.
    actually you were quoting me, there, MMC claimed he was a "grunt", which surprised me since his descriptions of combat thus far indicate someone with approximately zero practical experience either in wartime or in training of what "combat" looks like. It does sound like what people who play first-person-shooters and watch sci-fi channel shows where the obligatory "female security character" can flip 200+ lb bad guys around because she's such a bada-- think combat is like.

    Elite units and regular line units have the same organization and rely on discipline and unit cohesion the same way.
    indeed - even more so.
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