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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    if they have the skills, the strength, and the guts, there is NO logical or rational reason to keep women out of combat.
    yes there is - namely, that combat is a team sport. your individual strength, skills, or guts are immaterial compared to whether or not you strengthen or weaken the team. there is good reason you aren't allowed to use the words "I" or "me" at Boot Camp, and it's because your individual wonderfulness really doesn't matter.

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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It is far to cumbersome for military duty. The cost and maintenance would also probably be prohibitive.
    no kidding. your wonderexo is great until either A) you get into a firefight B) you have to perform some other kind of dexterous moves or C) you hit day 3 on patrol when the heat of the desert in summer drains your batteries and now you are wearing an 80lb metal suit on top of all your other gear.

    in other words, it's perfect.

    unless, of course, you happen to be in the combat arms. in which case not so much.
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    It doesnt need to be worn all the time, as far as cumbersome. The US Army and Marine Corp have been working with the Exos. They already know they can run, jump, crawl and engage into combat with the exo. Now it's just coming up with the casing. The Armor. The Lockeed Video shows some on a training course.

    The Japanese were leading the way in robotics. So much so that just like the game Mech Warriors, their vision is a fully Robotic Soldier. Or even a robotic that a Human being can jump into just like a vehicle. One that is bipedal and not limited to terrain. Fully Armored and Armed. Like a walking tank.

    This would then be a problem for The New and Improved Foot Soldier in their Exos. As the firepower would be greater than the suit can take.

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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    It doesnt need to be worn all the time, as far as cumbersome.
    ah. so when someone starts shooting at you, you just call a five-minute Time Out in order to climb out of the suit, readjust your gear, and then get ready to go? how very convenient. perhaps in urban scenarios, where the suit couldn't be worn at all, the enemy would agree to take a 10 minute break every hour to allow females to rest? Perhaps in AO's where the enemy is using IED's, they would agree to put all IED's on a 30 second delay with a warning signal to allow someone in a giant metal can time to try to duck the blast?

    The US Army and Marine Corp have been working with the Exos. They already know they can run, jump, crawl and engage into combat with the exo. Now it's just coming up with the casing. The Armor. The Lockeed Video shows some on a training course.

    The Japanese were leading the way in robotics. So much so that just like the game Mech Warriors, their vision is a fully Robotic Soldier. Or even a robotic that a Human being can jump into just like a vehicle. One that is bipedal and not limited to terrain. Fully Armored and Armed. Like a walking tank.

    This would then be a problem for The New and Improved Foot Soldier in their Exos. As the firepower would be greater than the suit can take.
    yeah. and how long has "future soldier" been supposedly in the pipeline? the one with the PAS-13 as a scope and a twin barrel with a 20mm grenade launcher that detonates with a laser guide to 'shoot around corners'? makes you wonder if anyone is considering how useful this stuff is if the guy is to bone-sore from humping it to deploy it.

    look man, take it from the grunts on this forum (including this one), this stuff just isn't at the practicable stage - and even then you've only solved one of the several serious problems with injecting females into combat units. You already got smashed in the "warriors beats soldiers" debate, don't get smashed with the "exo's mean females can be just as tough as men" argument as well.
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ah. so when someone starts shooting at you, you just call a five-minute Time Out in order to climb out of the suit, readjust your gear, and then get ready to go? how very convenient. perhaps in urban scenarios, where the suit couldn't be worn at all, the enemy would agree to take a 10 minute break every hour to allow females to rest? Perhaps in AO's where the enemy is using IED's, they would agree to put all IED's on a 30 second delay with a warning signal to allow someone in a giant metal can time to try to duck the blast?



    yeah. and how long has "future soldier" been supposedly in the pipeline? the one with the PAS-13 as a scope and a twin barrel with a 20mm grenade launcher that detonates with a laser guide to 'shoot around corners'? makes you wonder if anyone is considering how useful this stuff is if the guy is to bone-sore from humping it to deploy it.

    look man, take it from the grunts on this forum (including this one), this stuff just isn't at the practicable stage - and even then you've only solved one of the several serious problems with injecting females into combat units. You already got smashed in the "warriors beats soldiers" debate, don't get smashed with the "exo's mean females can be just as tough as men" argument as well.
    I think at some point this may become a reality. The problem is he is acting like it will be tomorrow. We are looking at 10 to 20 years down the road at least.
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I think at some point this may become a reality. The problem is he is acting like it will be tomorrow. We are looking at 10 to 20 years down the road at least.
    oh yeah. in the future no doubt something like this will occur. once they've solved the problems with power, with flexibility, with durability, with versatility, with field maintenance, and with ease of use.

    until that day, however, the exo's remain in sci-fi and specific limited applications (divers suits, for example).




    they just want female grunts because they think it's an "equality" issue rather than a "combat effectiveness" issue, and they'll grasp whatever straw is available to make that argument.

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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ah. so when someone starts shooting at you, you just call a five-minute Time Out in order to climb out of the suit, readjust your gear, and then get ready to go? how very convenient. perhaps in urban scenarios, where the suit couldn't be worn at all, the enemy would agree to take a 10 minute break every hour to allow females to rest? Perhaps in AO's where the enemy is using IED's, they would agree to put all IED's on a 30 second delay with a warning signal to allow someone in a giant metal can time to try to duck the blast?



    yeah. and how long has "future soldier" been supposedly in the pipeline? the one with the PAS-13 as a scope and a twin barrel with a 20mm grenade launcher that detonates with a laser guide to 'shoot around corners'? makes you wonder if anyone is considering how useful this stuff is if the guy is to bone-sore from humping it to deploy it.

    look man, take it from the grunts on this forum (including this one), this stuff just isn't at the practicable stage - and even then you've only solved one of the several serious problems with injecting females into combat units. You already got smashed in the "warriors beats soldiers" debate, don't get smashed with the "exo's mean females can be just as tough as men" argument as well.
    I take it you didn't see the Video on the Korean and Israeli Female soldiers I put up, not the training of our female Marines, and most of all I was a grunt. So you can save that useless argument. Moreover, truly you cannot get smashed when leading the way with the history lesson. As despite how you FEEEEEEL the facts have shown otherwise.

    In addition in the warrior on soldier debate. You never did get past the basics of guerilla warfare. In the end the soldier loses to the warrior.

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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    I take it you didn't see the Video on the Korean and Israeli Female soldiers I put up, not the training of our female Marines, and most of all I was a grunt. So you can save that useless argument. Moreover, truly you cannot get smashed when leading the way with the history lesson. As despite how you FEEEEEEL the facts have shown otherwise.

    In addition in the warrior on soldier debate. You never did get past the basics of guerilla warfare. In the end the soldier loses to the warrior.
    wow. so much delusion in such a small post.

    you got hammered when you tried to argue that warriors will defeat soldiers. yes, in guerrilla warfare as well, which is why we have special forces to train guerrilla's to be soldiers.


    well disciplined units have consistently destroyed forces made up of "warriors". even when significantly outnumbered - because at the point of impact the team always outweighs each individual it comes across.

    what military and branch were you a grunt in that they trained you so poorly so as to think this kind of crap?

    which is why you had to increasingly try to come up with bizzare "well if there were no guns and it was all edged weapons and the individual warrior had trained for 20 years and was against a small unit that the warrior was allowed to attack in a jungle environment...." etc. as though that had any resemblance to modern combat.

    the facts of integration of females into the non combat units have already demonstrated that they come along with serious distractions and detractions from mission readiness. putting that extra burden into the infantry is an idiotic idea.

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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Actually the 'keep 'em out of combat ground units' crowd seems to be grasping at straws. Reminds me of the fight to keep blacks out of combat units. First it was 'they can't operate complex equipment', then 'they are not as brave as whites', then finally it would hurt combat effectiveness.

    The only thing stopping women from serving in combat units is not lifting a 100 tube but rather knocking down a few hardliners who refuse to admit there is nothing stopping women from serving in combat units other than male pride or resentment.

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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    wow. so much delusion in such a small post.

    you got hammered when you tried to argue that warriors will defeat soldiers. yes, in guerrilla warfare as well, which is why we have special forces to train guerrilla's to be soldiers.

    the facts of integration of females into the non combat units have already demonstrated that they come along with serious distractions and detractions from mission readiness. putting that extra burden into the infantry is an idiotic idea.

    well disciplined units have consistently destroyed forces made up of "warriors". even when significantly outnumbered - because at the point of impact the team always outweighs each individual it comes across.

    what military and branch were you a grunt in that they trained you so poorly so as to think this kind of crap?

    which is why you had to increasingly try to come up with bizzare "well if there were no guns and it was all edged weapons and the individual warrior had trained for 20 years and was against a small unit that the warrior was allowed to attack in a jungle environment...." etc. as though that had any resemblance to modern combat.


    Still can't change history bro. Once again you forget when the breadkdown of an Army takes place it is every man for themselves. As to Special Forces and Rangers.....yes I know. But now you are talking about Warrior/Soldiers The Elites. Not a regular grunt. Again you talking semantics. Not to mention you cannot get around the Israelis and S Koreans who have been doing so with women for years. Kinda blows that theory of yours out of the water about cohesion and distractions.

    Not to mention I was warring long time before I joined Uncle Sam's Gang. So I know all about a different type of soldier mentality. The difference was with the time. Back in the day no child could just run around and grab some sword or weapon and start weilding it or using it on others. In todays day and age, any 6yr old kid can pick up a gun and start shooting people with it.

    Women back then trained just as hard as men who fought in battle. Some were shield-mates to their husbands. One woman would lead thousands of warriors and gain a Throne.

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