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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    It's so sweet of you guys to be so concerned over our vaginas this way.

    Seriously though: do you honestly believe that women have had the female situation for myriads of centuries and we haven't figured anything out?

    With our modern warfare situations and theaters: any deployment can create a combat frontline situation for anyone even if that's not their specific line of duty: if they fulfill the role by activity they should get the recognition. The lines of separation between one and the other are becoming more and more blurred. Given current means of deployment: I don't know how you can differentiate 'front lines' via base encampment from other means of technical 'front lines' these days when the fight - more and more - is brought right to the front step of base.
    You do not weigh less just because the solder who came to pull you out of a burning vehicle is a female.

    This is exactly the school of thought behind the Army's new PT test.

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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You do not weigh less just because the solder who came to pull you out of a burning vehicle is a female.

    This is exactly the school of thought behind the Army's new PT test.
    Actually, I don't think it is, as it deals with more than physical strength. Remember, the military is largely designed for smaller men.

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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I would appreciate it of you could show just enough respect to pose a realistic example; something that happens regularly in-country all the time. Tailored NBC weapons which target a sex is not one such example. Walking several miles during a dismount is. Mounting weapons and hardware is.
    The country is largely designed for men, and largely governed by a group think mentality that assumes things that may not be true. Women work better together, communicate better, collaborate better, and this may mean they would find different but equally effective ways to tackle problems, missions and situations.

    And the point about men being unable to do the job any more had nothing to do with how that happened. In fact, to the point, focusing on how it happened seems like a deliberate effort to avoid the point. The point is, nothing would stop. Fires would still be fought, government would still run and function, and everything done by men would be done by women. It is good practice to step outside one's belief system and question the assumptions they accept.

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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Actually, I don't think it is, as it deals with more than physical strength. Remember, the military is largely designed for smaller men.
    Where did you come up with this nonsense????? The military is designed for defense of the nation, size was not a consideration.
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Where did you come up with this nonsense????? The military is designed for defense of the nation, size was not a consideration.
    It's what they told me in the military. The ideal soldier was smaller, quicker. Brute strength was not a requirement. Doesn't the PT test still have the inverted crawl? This is not meant for a large man.

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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The country is largely designed for men, and largely governed by a group think mentality that assumes things that may not be true. Women work better together, communicate better, collaborate better, and this may mean they would find different but equally effective ways to tackle problems, missions and situations.
    This is not true and I have posted scientific evidence TO YOU that says no in this post: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1060311251

    Cooperation, it turns out, is a little more complex than the common assumption that women tend to be better at it than men. In fact, researchers have found that that men cooperate as well as women — and cooperate better with other men than women do with each other. - Men Cooperate as Well as Women – Sometimes | Psych Central News

    You Just Don't Understand
    by Deborah Tannen, Ph.D.

    "For males, conversation is the way you negotiate your status in the group and keep people from pushing you around; you use talk to preserve your independence. Females, on the other hand, use conversation to negotiate closeness and intimacy; talk is the essence of intimacy, so being best friends means sitting and talking. For boys, activities, doing things together, are central. Just sitting and talking is not an essential part of friendship. They're friends with the boys they do things with."
    It's not hard, from even these simple observations, to see the potential problems when men and women communicate. Women create feelings of closeness by conversing with their friends and lovers. Men don't use communication in this way, so they can't figure out why their women are continually talk, talk, talking. Eventually, many men just tune their women out. The ubiquitous image of the housewife at the breakfast table talking to her husband who has his head buried in the newspaper comes to mind.
    - Communication styles of men and women, Tannen

    So your matter of fact statement is total bull**** with no evidence at all to back it up, none.

    So you just keep ignoring the facts and I will continue to point it out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And the point about men being unable to do the job any more had nothing to do with how that happened. In fact, to the point, focusing on how it happened seems like a deliberate effort to avoid the point. The point is, nothing would stop. Fires would still be fought, government would still run and function, and everything done by men would be done by women. It is good practice to step outside one's belief system and question the assumptions they accept.
    That is pure speculation and flies in the face of reality.

    Again your primes is just mind numbingly out there.
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's what they told me in the military. The ideal soldier was smaller, quicker. Brute strength was not a requirement. Doesn't the PT test still have the inverted crawl? This is not meant for a large man.
    So in other words, someone who had no idea what he was talking about gave you their opinion, and you took it as fact? That is somehow evidence of something?
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So in other words, someone who had no idea what he was talking about gave you their opinion, and you took it as fact? That is somehow evidence of something?
    If he said it was not about strength, that right there should have raised the bull**** flag.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This is not true and I have posted scientific evidence TO YOU that says no in this post: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1060311251

    Cooperation, it turns out, is a little more complex than the common assumption that women tend to be better at it than men. In fact, researchers have found that that men cooperate as well as women — and cooperate better with other men than women do with each other. - Men Cooperate as Well as Women – Sometimes | Psych Central News

    You Just Don't Understand
    by Deborah Tannen, Ph.D.

    "For males, conversation is the way you negotiate your status in the group and keep people from pushing you around; you use talk to preserve your independence. Females, on the other hand, use conversation to negotiate closeness and intimacy; talk is the essence of intimacy, so being best friends means sitting and talking. For boys, activities, doing things together, are central. Just sitting and talking is not an essential part of friendship. They're friends with the boys they do things with."
    It's not hard, from even these simple observations, to see the potential problems when men and women communicate. Women create feelings of closeness by conversing with their friends and lovers. Men don't use communication in this way, so they can't figure out why their women are continually talk, talk, talking. Eventually, many men just tune their women out. The ubiquitous image of the housewife at the breakfast table talking to her husband who has his head buried in the newspaper comes to mind.
    - Communication styles of men and women, Tannen

    So your matter of fact statement is total bull**** with no evidence at all to back it up, none.

    So you just keep ignoring the facts and I will continue to point it out.



    That is pure speculation and flies in the face of reality.

    Again your primes is just mind numbingly out there.
    I guess it depends on what study you pull:

    Women play a more central role than men in a successful society by focusing more on cooperating than competing, suggests a study published today.

    Study finds women cooperate better than men - Telegraph

    But, you too seek to skip the point. Any task has more than one way to accomplish it, and if need be, a focus on working smarter instead harder, or stronger, might be just as effective. How can I get you too the point?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I guess it depends on what study you pull:

    Women play a more central role than men in a successful society by focusing more on cooperating than competing, suggests a study published today.

    Study finds women cooperate better than men - Telegraph

    But, you too seek to skip the point. Any task has more than one way to accomplish it, and if need be, a focus on working smarter instead harder, or stronger, might be just as effective. How can I get you too the point?
    A story from 2007 from the telegraph?

    So no, not really.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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