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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Having been one of the guys the army paid for a strong back and weak mind I can honestly say MANY women could have done the 'brute strength' tasks I did. It was more an ability to imitate a pack mule than carrying the Ma Duece at port arms for 10 klicks... Brute strength was secondary to endurance, it was secondary to mental toughness, secondary to surviving on a starvation diet, secondary to thinking under stress, without sleep...

    I've seen guys break down and cry because the promised hot meal never made it out to the field.

    Making broad brush statements about what an entire gender can and can't do isn't helpful. Not every guy can be a grunt, that is for damn sure. I don't think the standard would ever be lowered so ANY female could qualify but then again it shouldn't be lowered so any male would be acceptable.

    But humping ALICE or the Pig doesn't take a superman, superwoman can do it to...
    No one is generalizing.

    Are you people able to read?
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    I opposed alternate standards and lowered standards - so you do. Thus: you and I not debating lowered and altered standards - you and I both oppose them, likely for different reason but we both oppose them nonetheless.

    I also oppose equivalencies and capped goals - military, business, government - everything. I think it's silly to demand 'more and more must be allowed in' (which is why you have lowered physical standards - to allow more into the ranks) . . . I do not support that because it cheapens the overall quality of hte individual in said bracket when they start pandering to gender (and race, etc) basis instead of your basic intelligence and physical qualifications (as they apply)

    So: let's pretend that we don't have those exceptions - everyone in combat is in because they can pass all the tests - and are physically capable, no gender differentia.
    Let's also pretend that we don't have gender-capped goals.

    Where do you stand? Let these few exceptional women into combat? Or no?

    I stand on yes - you have seemed to say 'no' but now I just don't think you're not following the actual situation I'm discussing here: I'm not discussing things *as they are right now* - I'm discussing things being altered so gender is erased when it comes to 'qualifications' - period.
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I opposed alternate standards and lowered standards - so you do. Thus: you and I not debating lowered and altered standards - you and I both oppose them, likely for different reason but we both oppose them nonetheless.

    I also oppose equivalencies and capped goals - military, business, government - everything. I think it's silly to demand 'more and more must be allowed in' (which is why you have lowered physical standards - to allow more into the ranks) . . . I do not support that because it cheapens the overall quality of hte individual in said bracket when they start pandering to gender (and race, etc) basis instead of your basic intelligence and physical qualifications (as they apply)

    So: let's pretend that we don't have those exceptions - everyone in combat is in because they can pass all the tests - and are physically capable, no gender differentia.
    Let's also pretend that we don't have gender-capped goals.

    Where do you stand? Let these few exceptional women into combat? Or no?

    I stand on yes - you have seemed to say 'no' but now I just don't think you're not following the actual situation I'm discussing here: I'm not discussing things *as they are right now* - I'm discussing things being altered so gender is erased when it comes to 'qualifications' - period.
    In the future if we could overcome by technology whatever issues with pregnancy and a lack of hygiene for long periods in the field, with no lowering of the physical standards? I would have no problem at all.

    For today it just is not possible.
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    In the future if we could overcome by technology whatever issues with pregnancy and a lack of hygiene for long periods in the field, with no lowering of the physical standards? I would have no problem at all.

    For today it just is not possible.
    Oh - I pissed everyone off with my view of 'stick them all on the pill (or shot, etc) - no exceptions' to avoid pregnancy and everyone had a hissy fit. I was quite surprised at that. I thought it sounded like common sense to me: a pregnant female in the ranks is nothing but a negative asset.

    And hygeine? Compared to men - women are no different . . . men who are sexually active routinely contract the clap among other STDS and infections, etc. . . so it's really not that big of a concern in my view. . . people can get gross and nasty.
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Oh - I pissed everyone off with my view of 'stick them all on the pill (or shot, etc) - no exceptions' to avoid pregnancy and everyone had a hissy fit. I was quite surprised at that. I thought it sounded like common sense to me: a pregnant female in the ranks is nothing but a negative asset.
    Yea I hear ya. I don't even suggest mandatory implants anymore, lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    And hygeine? Compared to men - women are no different . . . men who are sexually active routinely contract the clap among other STDS and infections, etc. . . so it's really not that big of a concern in my view. . . people can get gross and nasty.
    Not talking sexually. I am no expert but I think there is a huge difference because females genitalia are on the inside, period. <--- No pun intended. period and itching etc would not make for a good partner in a fox hole, lol. But hey, that is just my opinion.
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Not every female has problems with her feminine functions Not every female has a period - has one that lasts long - has one that causes cramps and other issues - and so on.

    I don't think it's as much of a concern as a lot of people make it out to be.
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I think you're avoiding my question.
    I would appreciate it of you could show just enough respect to pose a realistic example; something that happens regularly in-country all the time. Tailored NBC weapons which target a sex is not one such example. Walking several miles during a dismount is. Mounting weapons and hardware is.

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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Not every female has problems with her feminine functions Not every female has a period - has one that lasts long - has one that causes cramps and other issues - and so on.

    I don't think it's as much of a concern as a lot of people make it out to be.
    assuming that 10% of an infantry battalion is female, that would make for about 100 females. Would you say that out of that 100.... 10 % would be likely to suffer from personal hygiene issues in the absence of any kind of toiletries? moving over the navy numbers, we'll add that to the 10% that will be pregnant at any one time, figure two rounds of pregnancy on a 7-month deployment, and now we've lost 30 Marines to "female issues" on top of all of the hike in drama and disfunction that come along with adding in females. That's pretty significant.

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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    assuming that 10% of an infantry battalion is female, that would make for about 100 females. Would you say that out of that 100.... 10 % would be likely to suffer from personal hygiene issues in the absence of any kind of toiletries? moving over the navy numbers, we'll add that to the 10% that will be pregnant at any one time, figure two rounds of pregnancy on a 7-month deployment, and now we've lost 30 Marines to "female issues" on top of all of the hike in drama and disfunction that come along with adding in females. That's pretty significant.
    It's so sweet of you guys to be so concerned over our vaginas this way.

    Seriously though: do you honestly believe that women have had the female situation for myriads of centuries and we haven't figured anything out?

    With our modern warfare situations and theaters: any deployment can create a combat frontline situation for anyone even if that's not their specific line of duty: if they fulfill the role by activity they should get the recognition. The lines of separation between one and the other are becoming more and more blurred. Given current means of deployment: I don't know how you can differentiate 'front lines' via base encampment from other means of technical 'front lines' these days when the fight - more and more - is brought right to the front step of base.
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    It's so sweet of you guys to be so concerned over our vaginas this way.

    Seriously though: do you honestly believe that women have had the female situation for myriads of centuries and we haven't figured anything out?
    It's not that. It is the fact the females being in the field with as he said the absence of toiletries is problematic. From again periods to yeast and urinary tract infections and a whole host of other issues from not having access to clean water or even proper diet etc. About the worst men have to deal with is stink and jock itch.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    With our modern warfare situations and theaters: any deployment can create a combat frontline situation for anyone even if that's not their specific line of duty: if they fulfill the role by activity they should get the recognition. The lines of separation between one and the other are becoming more and more blurred. Given current means of deployment: I don't know how you can differentiate 'front lines' via base encampment from other means of technical 'front lines' these days when the fight - more and more - is brought right to the front step of base.
    That will not be all wars. We don't know what the future will bring as far as wars go. We can however make a reasonable assumption that it can and will happen in different types of terrain etc where like in Vietnam like Iraq/Afghanistan no real front line existed. This did not stop troops from being in the field for months at a time. Even the Russians in WWII did not group men and women together in ground combat company's. Again I ask why would we want to deploy all female company's when the numbers would not be there?

    In the end this is all speculation as I am no expert on female anatomy, but common sense says it would or could be problematic.
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