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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Any man who wants to push women in front of bullets (except their wives and ex-wives), raise your hand and be counted.

    No one.....that's what I thought.
    LOL - with male initiated violence against women - murder, rape, etc - on such a streak I think it would actually be harder to find men who didn't want to put a woman in harm's way.

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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    I fully agree men have more upper body strength usually. But not always true. Women do have advantages as well.
    Like ?
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    LOL - with male initiated violence against women - murder, rape, etc - on such a streak I think it would actually be harder to find men who didn't want to put a woman in harm's way.

    My husband wanted me to qualify more than anything - I didn't, of course, because having several children is very bad in this country.
    I used the word wives, nuff said.
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Not "group think" but common sense. I mean you can ignore the evidence and that is your prerogative, it does not however change the reality of the situation. Until science advances to the point were ground units no longer need physical endurance and strength as the evidence shows, their is little to debate.

    Instead of addressing the evidence or answering my question, you simply dismiss it as "group think." That alone should be enough to prove how weak your position and argument really are.
    Very little is common about good sense, but that is what people suffering from group think say. So, I'm unconvinced that you're not suffering from it.

    I've ignored no evidence, but only suggest that there is more than one way to accomplish any mission. Even males have to sometimes compensation of short comings. All of us have to work within our skill set to accomplish any task. This often means finding a different way than what someone else with a different skill set might do. This is not revolutionary or beyond our common experience.

    And you've offered no evidence that addresses my question.

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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Like ?
    Generally they shoot better as I recall. On the whole, they have a better center of gravity. They also work together better. Communicate better.

    You asked.

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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Very little is common about good sense, but that is what people suffering from group think say. So, I'm unconvinced that you're not suffering from it.
    Well if you consider looking at the evidence and personal military experience "group think" instead of intelligence, so be it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I've ignored no evidence, but only suggest that there is more than one way to accomplish any mission. Even males have to sometimes compensation of short comings. All of us have to work within our skill set to accomplish any task. This often means finding a different way than what someone else with a different skill set might do. This is not revolutionary or beyond our common experience.
    I did address it...

    "Until science advances to the point were ground units no longer need physical endurance and strength as the evidence shows, their is little to debate. - Blackdog

    And yes you did ignore the evidence with no input what so ever about what this mystical magical way of doing something is. In fact you have offered nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And you've offered no evidence that addresses my question.
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    No one said they were all able? The problem is so few could do it, it is not worth the affect it would have on unit cohesion etc...

    BRITISH STUDY FINDS FEMALE SOLDIERS “TOO WEAK” FOR LAND COMBAT
    1/14/2002 12:58:35 PM

    ...Negative findings in the Combat Effectiveness Gender Study are even more significant in view of the fact that test exercises reportedly had been so diluted and watered down that they amounted to little more than "aggressive camping." (Electronic Telegraph, Mar. 26, 2001) According to Brig. Seymour Monro, the Army’s Director of Infantry, tasks that women soldiers were not physically capable of performing had been made easier or dropped from the trials...
    - Center for Military Readiness | International Policies

    It was reviewed and tried again in 2010...

    BRITISH CONCLUDE STUDY OF WOMEN IN COMBAT: NO CHANGES
    Tuesday, November 30, 2010

    ...The Ministry of Defence has completed a review into the policy that excludes female members of the Armed Forces from carrying out ground close combat roles, and decided that it should remain unchanged...
    - CENTEX UNFILTERED NEWS: BRITISH CONCLUDE STUDY OF WOMEN IN COMBAT: NO CHANGES

    Few serious armies use women in combat roles. Israel, which drafts most of its young women and uses them in all kinds of military work, has learned from experience to take them out of combat zones. Tests show that few women have the upper-body strength required for combat tasks. Keeping combat forces all male would not be discriminatory, as were earlier racial segregation schemes in the military, because men and women are different both physically and psychologically,” - Feb. 5, 1990, National Review.

    Israeli women won’t see combat
    October 20, 2003

    "JERUSALEM -- Young women who are drafted into the Israeli military will be barred from most combat duties because of a medical study that has determined they are, after all, the weaker sex..."
    - Israeli women won't see combat - Washington Times
    On the contrary I have offered plenty of real world evidence that says your way does not exist yet.
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    I fully agree men have more upper body strength usually. But not always true. Women do have advantages as well.
    I think some have plenty of upper body strength...
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    I think some have plenty of upper body strength...
    Typically there are exceptions, but in reality women are generally weaker than men, regarding physical strength.

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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Typically there are exceptions, but in reality women are generally weaker than men, regarding physical strength.
    For those exceptions I think they should be allowed to serve in traditional ground combat roles. Women are already in combat situations since there isn't any front line in the current fighting we are engaged in.

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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Generally they shoot better as I recall.
    No truth to this. It is an old wife's tale at best. Men and women are about the same. In competition shooting the large majority of top shooters are men. I think this has more to do with interest though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    On the whole, they have a better center of gravity.
    And this makes them better at what? Child birth? I will concede on that one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They also work together better.
    Not true, it depends on context.

    Men Cooperate as Well as Women – Sometimes

    Coooperation, it turns out, is a little more complex than the common assumption that women tend to be better at it than men. In fact, researchers have found that that men cooperate as well as women — and cooperate better with other men than women do with each other.
    - Men Cooperate as Well as Women – Sometimes | Psych Central News

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Communicate better.
    Not true at all, they communicate differently and for different reasons.

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    by Deborah Tannen, Ph.D.

    "For males, conversation is the way you negotiate your status in the group and keep people from pushing you around; you use talk to preserve your independence. Females, on the other hand, use conversation to negotiate closeness and intimacy; talk is the essence of intimacy, so being best friends means sitting and talking. For boys, activities, doing things together, are central. Just sitting and talking is not an essential part of friendship. They're friends with the boys they do things with."
    It's not hard, from even these simple observations, to see the potential problems when men and women communicate. Women create feelings of closeness by conversing with their friends and lovers. Men don't use communication in this way, so they can't figure out why their women are continually talk, talk, talking. Eventually, many men just tune their women out. The ubiquitous image of the housewife at the breakfast table talking to her husband who has his head buried in the newspaper comes to mind.
    - Communication styles of men and women, Tannen

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You asked.
    I answered.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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