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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Sure, if they want to.


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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    truthfully i think women can of they meet combat stress tests.other than the marine corps women i dont see any toher branches holding women to combat standards.

    the air force has low physical standards all around but their arent a combat arms branch of the military.

    the navy im not sure about except for the navy cb's which are like marines with a navy badge.

    the army holds high standards for men but rediculously low standards for women.the fact what takes me at age 25 to pass my pt test would get an 18 year old female an almost perfect score.the army also has lower standards for eigh and tape for females than it does males.the army recently started changing from a standard pt test to one more similar to the marines,and focuses on combat ability more than a scoresheet.it wasnt fully implemented when i left but no mention was made if females would have a different standard.if the army holds its upcoming pt standards the same on females i can almost guarantee 90% of females would be booted out of the army for failing to meet physical standards,since the new standard focuses alot on strength needed to carry wounded soldiers full battle loads and sprinting with 2 ful ammo cans.

    the marines pretty much hold their females to the same standard,even though marine females dont get combat arms as an mos the marine corps treats everyone as infantry first and holds them to that standard.
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    If wars were still fought with swords and axes that'd make sense. I wonder how many "enemy killed" or casualties our side had in Afghanistan or Iraq that was the result of hand-to-hand combat? Does "zero" come to mind?

    The absolute best shot I know is a woman, and I know a lot of marksmen. Nor does everyone in a combat zone do the same thing like clones. It has become very technical and specialized.
    The first requirement of a male is to register with the post office at 18 and I think this should be a female requirement as well. I said that they should be eligible for combat. Where are we in disagreement. I think you misunderstood what I was saying. A woman can carry the same gear as a male unless she was really tiny but there are height and weight limitations in the military aren't there. You certainly don't want to put a woman in the field that may not be able to handle all the gear. Many women can move the equipment as well as a man.
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Santorum says no, they should be banned. So do many other Republicans. What say you?
    Can't think of a reason to listen to Santorum.

    I say, sure. If they want to and are capable, let them.

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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    why the hell not?

    if they got the guts, the skills, the strength to do it...I say let er' rip
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    The first requirement of a male is to register with the post office at 18 and I think this should be a female requirement as well. I said that they should be eligible for combat. Where are we in disagreement. I think you misunderstood what I was saying. A woman can carry the same gear as a male unless she was really tiny but there are height and weight limitations in the military aren't there. You certainly don't want to put a woman in the field that may not be able to handle all the gear. Many women can move the equipment as well as a man.

    Some women can, but generally they are exceptional physical specimens and work out a lot.

    A 5'6" 140 lb man usually has considerably more upper/core body strength than a 5'6 140 lb woman. Simple fact.

    There are exceptions, sure.

    The truth is that front-line combat is mainly for those who are young and very very fit. I could not qualify anymore, for instance. For one thing my age is a barrier, I'm not allowed to enlist at 46... but there are reasons for that. Even if age were not a barrier, I could not hump 100 lbs of gear on my back across 20 miles of rugged terrain anymore, as many young front-line soldiers have to do.



    Give it another 20, 25 years. Then, it will be all drones, robots and armored exoskeletons and physical fitness will be a secondary issue.

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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Marksmanship isn't the only concern it comes to physical requirements for a combat soldier. Combat troops carry a hell of a lot of equipment. They also have to move wounded comrades. The point is, being a warfighter in this day and age still requires a degree of physical prowess. If men and women will be serving in the same roles and positions, they should be held to the exact same standards. The physical standards should not be lowered for women when people's lives depend on it.
    They do. But oddly, the perfect built for a solider is not a huge muscle bound monster. Instead, the military largerly prefers smaller, more wirery fellows. It is quite possible for women to do what they can. It is also possible to do it another way. So while I agree with you as to lowering, there might be a change I would support that made sense for both.

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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Can't think of a reason to listen to Santorum.

    I say, sure. If they want to and are capable, let them.
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Some women can, but generally they are exceptional physical specimens and work out a lot.

    A 5'6" 140 lb man usually has considerably more upper/core body strength than a 5'6 140 lb woman. Simple fact.

    There are exceptions, sure.

    The truth is that front-line combat is mainly for those who are young and very very fit. I could not qualify anymore, for instance. For one thing my age is a barrier, I'm not allowed to enlist at 46... but there are reasons for that. Even if age were not a barrier, I could not hump 100 lbs of gear on my back across 20 miles of rugged terrain anymore, as many young front-line soldiers have to do.



    Give it another 20, 25 years. Then, it will be all drones, robots and armored exoskeletons and physical fitness will be a secondary issue.
    I fully agree men have more upper body strength usually. But not always true. Women do have advantages as well.
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    This ain't Hell, but you can see it from here » Blog Archive » The new Army PT Test

    shows the standard the army is trying to switch to.

    the test was supposed to be gender neutral and only require less from soldiers based on age.

    a quick look through google shows that even though the army has made no full decision yet,the army has talked about dumbing down female standards on a test designed to check for combat stress normally seen day to day in the frontlines,due to the fact too many females were failing the the tests.if the army had held females to a high standard from the start,i doubt there would be many females failing.

    i believe if females in the army want to serve in combat,they should be fully held to male standards,which very few females in the army strive for because its not required of them.the new tests were originally planned because the old standards test cardio and endurance,but not strength which favored small framed men and women but hurt large framed people,however combat evidence shows that those same people who passed their pt tests with perfect scores couldnt handle the weight of combat loads.

    to put it into analogy the old army wanted hondas,small lightweight and fast but get heavily dragged down by any weight,the new army wants v8 trucks,slower but can pull a bigger load and can handle more rugged operation.these changes come as military combat loads are getting heavier,soldiers dont just walk around with a lightweight vest and a pasgt helmet.new body armors weigh alot more,soldiers are required to carry more ta-50 with them than ever before.under a full combat load plus supplies for a soldier weight can easily exceed 120 pounds plus the weight of the rifle.during my deployment my average combat load was 70 pounds plus a rifle,mostly because i needed an oversize vest to cover my chest.ontop of combat load an actual soldier ruckmarching through the mountains where trucks cant reach need supplies,mre's toilet paper a crapload of water,sleeping supplies and anything else a soldier brings all adds to weight.
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