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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I agree young people are more prone to mistakes, but the question was should we expect maturity? If we can't expect most will be mature, then we really shouldn't have them in these life and death situations. I personal believe that whiel young will be young, most will meet the expectation, if we have expectations.
    most those that cant handle it are weeded out long before combat,usually if they defy basic orders ad cack under basic training pressure,they get chaptered out.

    some make it though basic but get chaptered out in a combat zone,i have seen it happen befoe,a guy snaped after wroking mwr every other week and threatened the sergeant major,we took his weapon but the sergeant major decided he snapped because he didnt have enough mwr time,so mwr detail was doubled to 2 weeks,how anyone thinks 1 week staring at a pen and paper wasnt enough with nothing lse to to do is beyond me.so 2 weeks mwr detail more snapped and he again thought because it wasnt enough time staring at paper for 12 hours a day.

    guess what im saying is some people cant hack it but the army definatley tests you mental limits,and any normal person wuld snap and kill everyone columbine style if the had to deal with what soldiers do every day,
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    most those that cant handle it are weeded out long before combat,usually if they defy basic orders ad cack under basic training pressure,they get chaptered out.

    some make it though basic but get chaptered out in a combat zone,i have seen it happen befoe,a guy snaped after wroking mwr every other week and threatened the sergeant major,we took his weapon but the sergeant major decided he snapped because he didnt have enough mwr time,so mwr detail was doubled to 2 weeks,how anyone thinks 1 week staring at a pen and paper wasnt enough with nothing lse to to do is beyond me.so 2 weeks mwr detail more snapped and he again thought because it wasnt enough time staring at paper for 12 hours a day.

    guess what im saying is some people cant hack it but the army definatley tests you mental limits,and any normal person wuld snap and kill everyone columbine style if the had to deal with what soldiers do every day,
    I was in the military. 82nd Airborne. My experience was that most can handle it, and that they weed out. So, I guess my comment was more for CP who I believe sees many as too immature to handle it.

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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I was in the military. 82nd Airborne. My experience was that most can handle it, and that they weed out. So, I guess my comment was more for CP who I believe sees many as too immature to handle it.
    if you were 82nd i salut you,my brother is in 82nd in afghnistan right now and most people cant hack the army,let alone 82 which is the best the army has short of sf and rangers.
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    if you were 82nd i salut you,my brother is in 82nd in afghnistan right now and most people cant hack the army,let alone 82 which is the best the army has short of sf and rangers.
    I was proud to serve. And as I'm not fond of hieghts, proud of my 62 jumps. I was assigned to HHB Divarty. I served 77-80.

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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    82nd dont mess around they the best of the normal enlisted,the army holds the 82nd and 101st as the best of the best below the rangers.

    i was told to go airborne ranger in ait because i heavily exceeded my peers,wish now i had gone but at the time i was thinking about the quickest way i could get wasted on a dailey basis,not my carrer.
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    82nd dont mess around they the best of the normal enlisted,the army holds the 82nd and 101st as the best of the best below the rangers.

    i was told to go airborne ranger in ait because i heavily exceeded my peers,wish now i had gone but at the time i was thinking about the quickest way i could get wasted on a dailey basis,not my carrer.
    I ended up there on accident. The recuiter asked me if I wanted to go airborne. I said what's that. He said an extra $55 a month. I said sure. But I enjoyed the discipline. I have always been competitive, so that worked for me as well. Though hard about being coming a career man, but ultimately choose to venture elsewhere. No regrets, but I don't think I'd have had any had I stayed either.

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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Here is an interesting overview of women serving in the military in the US.

    Women In Military Service For America Memorial

    This site also has information about the Women's Memorial at Arlington National Cemetery. I have been there all three times I visited Arlington.
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    Here is an interesting overview of women serving in the military in the US.

    Women In Military Service For America Memorial

    This site also has information about the Women's Memorial at Arlington National Cemetery. I have been there all three times I visited Arlington.
    good for those that havent served.

    i have been around women in a combat zone hoguh.like i said before some women can handle it,most cant.not because their bodies cant but because they are held to a low standard.

    most women you are gonna see in combat are 91b which is mechanic.a 91b about 2 and a half years ago switched to combat status because throughout the wars they had to roll with infantry.ill tell you now infantry does not call mechanics potg's.infantry needs running vehicles and when i was in afghanistan being in a potg unit the 10nth mountain infantry attached to us would be me to fiz their trucks.to infantry if their trucks fail infantry men die.


    women are allowed n combat mos but not combat arms mos.combat mos regularly sees combat a combat arms mos does 100% combat jobs with the exceotion of a very few who get potg jobs of base defense.

    so yes women see combat,but it isnt their job,but even with a non combat mos they can see combat,doesnt mean they can knock down doors and handle full combat loads and chase enemies with full combat loads.

    this is why im for combat stress tests,men or women dont matter if yo cant pass the test you aint going to combat.we have enough volunteers army wide to support afghanistan yet we turn em down because we prefer full brigades.screw sending them if we have enough volunteers to make 50 brigades why are we ignoring them and sending people who dont want to or cant go.
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Some women can, but generally they are exceptional physical specimens and work out a lot.

    A 5'6" 140 lb man usually has considerably more upper/core body strength than a 5'6 140 lb woman. Simple fact.

    There are exceptions, sure.

    The truth is that front-line combat is mainly for those who are young and very very fit. I could not qualify anymore, for instance. For one thing my age is a barrier, I'm not allowed to enlist at 46... but there are reasons for that. Even if age were not a barrier, I could not hump 100 lbs of gear on my back across 20 miles of rugged terrain anymore, as many young front-line soldiers have to do.



    Give it another 20, 25 years. Then, it will be all drones, robots and armored exoskeletons and physical fitness will be a secondary issue.
    I don't think physical fitness will be a secondary issue, but I would agree that physical limitations of the job would be a secondary issue.

    And yes I am a woman who does not believe that women in combat is a good idea yet. With time and a lot more changes to the military men mindset (about several things), women can serve in combat roles with minimal problems, particularly related to the fact that they are women.
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    Re: Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles in the military?

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    good for those that havent served.

    i have been around women in a combat zone hoguh.like i said before some women can handle it,most cant.not because their bodies cant but because they are held to a low standard.

    most women you are gonna see in combat are 91b which is mechanic.a 91b about 2 and a half years ago switched to combat status because throughout the wars they had to roll with infantry.ill tell you now infantry does not call mechanics potg's.infantry needs running vehicles and when i was in afghanistan being in a potg unit the 10nth mountain infantry attached to us would be me to fiz their trucks.to infantry if their trucks fail infantry men die.


    women are allowed n combat mos but not combat arms mos.combat mos regularly sees combat a combat arms mos does 100% combat jobs with the exceotion of a very few who get potg jobs of base defense.

    so yes women see combat,but it isnt their job,but even with a non combat mos they can see combat,doesnt mean they can knock down doors and handle full combat loads and chase enemies with full combat loads.

    this is why im for combat stress tests,men or women dont matter if yo cant pass the test you aint going to combat.we have enough volunteers army wide to support afghanistan yet we turn em down because we prefer full brigades.screw sending them if we have enough volunteers to make 50 brigades why are we ignoring them and sending people who dont want to or cant go.
    I thought that some people on this thread might be interested in the web site to read about women's history in the military. There is no need to say "good for those that havent served.' or display evidence of the Dunning–Kruger effect.

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