View Poll Results: Do dictators commit murder against their own citizens?

Voters
30. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    13 43.33%
  • No

    14 46.67%
  • Only if Convicted in a Criminal Court

    0 0%
  • Depends on Other Circumstances (please explain)

    3 10.00%
Page 3 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 31

Thread: Do dictators commit murder against their own citizens?

  1. #21
    Mr. Professional
    Mensch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Northern Virginia
    Last Seen
    08-24-17 @ 04:07 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    3,666
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Do dictators commit murder against their own citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Bleh international law shouldn't even come into this.
    International law, is hardly enforced making it, largely, null.
    I agree, but I still think using the term murderer in a non-literal fashion to describe dictators is appropriate.

  2. #22
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: Do dictators commit murder against their own citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    I agree, but I still think using the term murderer in a non-literal fashion to describe dictators is appropriate.
    I mean, I wouldn't complain about the use of the term.
    Although I think when used in a formal sense, murder would be incorrect.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  3. #23
    Mr. Professional
    Mensch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Northern Virginia
    Last Seen
    08-24-17 @ 04:07 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    3,666
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Do dictators commit murder against their own citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    if it breaks the laws of his country then yes.
    Murder is a legal term so you can only be a murderer in the legal sense.

    You can call him a lunatic killer though
    That's not enough for me. Sanity is a far more subjective variable that I wish to stay away from, at least for the purposes of this thread.

    You are using the term murderer only in an absolute sense. I feel certain terms, depending on context, could be used in a non-literal way to accurately describe the acts of another. Calling a dictator a murderer or a monster are two examples, given the fact they don't literally apply.

  4. #24
    Mr. Professional
    Mensch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Northern Virginia
    Last Seen
    08-24-17 @ 04:07 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    3,666
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Do dictators commit murder against their own citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I mean, I wouldn't complain about the use of the term.
    Although I think when used in a formal sense, murder would be incorrect.
    Interestingly enough, if it is used as a verb, it is literally correct but not as a noun. So, we could accurately say that Stalin murdered his own people but we could not accurately say that Stalin is a murderer (again, speaking literally)

  5. #25
    I'm kind of a big deal

    AGENT J's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Pittsburgh
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:43 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    44,827

    Re: Do dictators commit murder against their own citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    That's not enough for me. Sanity is a far more subjective variable that I wish to stay away from, at least for the purposes of this thread.

    You are using the term murderer only in an absolute sense. I feel certain terms, depending on context, could be used in a non-literal way to accurately describe the acts of another. Calling a dictator a murderer or a monster are two examples, given the fact they don't literally apply.
    uhm factually monster does apply, murder without the legal backing does not

    its not accurate because the definition of the word doesnt allow it to be

    if there is no legal backing at best it would be your unsupported opinion he is a murder or you could possible defend it as "slang" but you would have no factual back at all.
    This space is currently owned by The Great Winchester, stay tuned for future messages!
    Make America Great Again!
    Pro-Equal Rights / Pro-Gun Rights / Pro-Human Rights / Pro-Choice

  6. #26
    Sage
    Ikari's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 01:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    54,124

    Re: Do dictators commit murder against their own citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    Mac and Cephus take the literal definition of murder to the extreme, arguing that dictators do not murder unless (as mac pointed out) convicted in an international court of justice.

    What is your take? Should we be blinded by literalism and refrain from calling these men murderers, or is it necessary to denounce them as murderers for unjustly taking the lives of their own citizens?
    If murder is the illegal or unlawful killing of another; then a dictator cannot murder as it is not illegal nor unlawful for him to do as he likes in his country of sovereignty.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

  7. #27
    User
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Last Seen
    08-06-12 @ 08:35 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    19

    Re: Do dictators commit murder against their own citizens?

    I read some articles about world top dictators and I feel that they do murdered their citizens, in one article it was written that one of the dictators use to punish people by put them in boiling water, isn't that less than a murder.

  8. #28
    Mr. Professional
    Mensch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Northern Virginia
    Last Seen
    08-24-17 @ 04:07 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    3,666
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Do dictators commit murder against their own citizens?

    Do guests vote on these polls? Is that why it's showing 11 votes for No but only two members who made the vote?

  9. #29
    Global Moderator
    Truth will set you free
    digsbe's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Metro Washington DC
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:09 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    18,990

    Re: Do dictators commit murder against their own citizens?

    I don't believe in defining murder strictly by law. Some nation may allow for honor killings and legally not call it murder, but it is still murder morally in my book.

    Yes, dictators do murder their own citizens, and it doesn't matter what some international criminal court says.
    When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. -Socrates
    Tired of elections being between the lesser of two evils.

  10. #30
    Devourer of Poor Children
    DrunkenAsparagus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    DC
    Last Seen
    01-20-16 @ 04:07 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    4,496

    Re: Do dictators commit murder against their own citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Bleh international law shouldn't even come into this.
    International law, is hardly enforced making it, largely, null.
    It's still the law, though. It may be selectively and poorly enforced in most cases, but there are rules that governments are at least expected to follow.
    "Doubleplusungood"

    George Orwell

Page 3 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •