View Poll Results: Is a State Animal Abuse Registry a good idea?

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Perhaps the author of the bill should find a cure for cancer or achieve world peace as well?
    No, just what he CAN do... and he can affect the wrongs of imperfect laws within his own jurisdiction.

    Are you advocating that collateral damage is acceptable? Seems like it.

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Perhaps the author of the bill should find a cure for cancer or achieve world peace as well?
    if he's incapable of writing a good bill.. i would suggest getting out of public policy making and into world peace advocacy

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    i'm not so sure the cost would be minimal....we've all been sold that story before.

    and really, if a dude abuses animals in one state.. and tries to adopt in another.. then what?
    the state scenario goes out the window and folks will try to make it federal... and the costs go up quite a bit with that scenario.
    states have different laws concerning animal cruelty.. for instance, in some states it's illegal to kill and eat dogs or cats ( companion animals).. in others , it's not.

    if it sticks to the state level.. well, i really don't care what people do in other states.... if they want to pay for such a program and they feel it serves a valid public interest.. good for them... enjoy your new database.

    I like the sentiment of it all ( i'm very pro animal)... but the implementation and operation of it..well, i'm not excited over it. ... we already have too many databases, lists, and registries.
    i'm surprised no one , as of yet, has floated the idea of simply making a database for each individual person and filling it with as much information about us as possible and then having it be publicly available.
    but i'm sure i'll see that before I die.
    The database is already there. Everytime a citation for animal abuse is issued, it goes into a computer database. Just a question of combining those databases into a single website that can be accessed by the public.

    I'm not much for looking at "slippery slope" arguments. If something sounds reasonable and helps to protect something I believe should be protected without unreasonable cost, I say do it. If folks want to cross state lines, they will... but the vast majority won't bother. The abuse I see of animals out here in "the country" is appalling. Every damned month some ass is going to trial for starving his animals, or beating them, or flinging a litter of kittens into a river, or taking a meat cleaver to a screaming baby possum... so yeah, if something as simple as a website data base keeps those same freaks from adopting or purchasing other animals, I'm all for it.

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    No, just what he CAN do... and he can affect the wrongs of imperfect laws within his own jurisdiction.

    Are you advocating that collateral damage is acceptable? Seems like it.
    What do you consider "collateral damage"? Refusing to allow someone who has previously been cited for animal abuse to adopt a rescue pet or purchase a new horse after the other one starved?

    I mean, this isn't life altering. If someone's name ends up on there and he/she has never received such a citation, then there would be channels to go through to get the name removed, and the mistake remedied. You're acting like people will be ruined for life. Overreaction.

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    A state legislator in Michigan is proposing that the State enact an Animal Abuser registry modeled after other states Sex Offender Registry system.

    Legislator from Detroit introduces bill to create an animal abuser registry | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

    In Wayne County alone, the Humane Society investigated over 5,000 cases of animal abuse in 2011. No other state has this although similar legislation has been introduced in at least five states.

    Is this an idea whose time has come?
    Is it really that big of a problem in Michigan?

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Why not make a drug abuse registry?
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    . If someone's name ends up on there and he/she has never received such a citation, then there would be channels to go through to get the name removed, and the mistake remedied. You're acting like people will be ruined for life. Overreaction.
    Underreaction/blind dismissal. Look at the no-fly list and the sex offender's lists, the same idea is spouted, but the truth is quite the opposite - or at least such where it feels like the exact opposite is true.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    The database is already there. Everytime a citation for animal abuse is issued, it goes into a computer database. Just a question of combining those databases into a single website that can be accessed by the public.

    I'm not much for looking at "slippery slope" arguments. If something sounds reasonable and helps to protect something I believe should be protected without unreasonable cost, I say do it. If folks want to cross state lines, they will... but the vast majority won't bother. The abuse I see of animals out here in "the country" is appalling. Every damned month some ass is going to trial for starving his animals, or beating them, or flinging a litter of kittens into a river, or taking a meat cleaver to a screaming baby possum... so yeah, if something as simple as a website data base keeps those same freaks from adopting or purchasing other animals, I'm all for it.
    if a database exists, there is no need for another one then....they just need to give access to qualified people or give a point of contact that people can call up and check **** out.... easy peasy.

    not sure if i want it to be a public list though....I don't trust the public with this information,....well, i don't trust PETA-types, and other wackos , to not go nuts on folks whom have been cited for any of the varying animal laws.
    what public interest does it serve to make it public?... and if you don't mandate background checks for animal purchases /adoptions.. it's all for naught anyways.

    I used to be against slippery slope arguments... but too many have come true over the course of my life to discount them out of hand.

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Why not make a drug abuse registry?

    We have one. It's called a "rap sheet".

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    Underreaction/blind dismissal. Look at the no-fly list and the sex offender's lists, the same idea is spouted, but the truth is quite the opposite - or at least such where it feels like the exact opposite is true.
    Quite a stretch comparing people who have been cited for animal abuse to keep them from getting more animals to sex offenders and the terrorist no-fly list!

    Props for panic, though!

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