View Poll Results: Is a State Animal Abuse Registry a good idea?

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    What about the hassle of the honest citizen? The hassle to the seller? Price is not always a cash value. The opportunity cost of the time to enact and legislate and enforce it could be much better spent elsewhere.
    I took it that this would be a rather quick procedure. You access the data base and plug in the name of the animal purchaser and within minutes you get an approval.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Great. Just what we need. Another emotionally-charged and overly broad "list" that will catch more people than actually deserve to be there, just so the narrow-minded-jump-to-conclusion-less-discerning people in our society can feel superior.

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    No its seems like a huge waste of money. I see no logical benifit to it vs cost vs man hours vs prevention of anything vs effectiveness

    No need, its a waste
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    A state legislator in Michigan is proposing that the State enact an Animal Abuser registry modeled after other states Sex Offender Registry system.

    Legislator from Detroit introduces bill to create an animal abuser registry | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

    In Wayne County alone, the Humane Society investigated over 5,000 cases of animal abuse in 2011. No other state has this although similar legislation has been introduced in at least five states.

    Is this an idea whose time has come?
    MORE databasing? More information collection? More lists? For ****'s sake people, when is enough enough here? Do people even think about what they endorese?
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Absolutely an idea whose time has come. Why not use the internet to mark animal abusers with a scarlet letter? I'm allll for it. Not only would it identify these horrible people, it would raise awareness for the rest of us to report it when we see it.
    Oh god ****ing damned it we don't need this. We shouldn't have the vast majority of databasing and lists created by government that we do now. Now "animal abuse". When...when the **** will people learn to mind their own business? If someone has completed their punishment for a crime, than that's it. The end. Yet you people want to infinite punish and make all these things to keep tabs on people who have done "wrong". The level of monitoring y'all are calling for IS NOT REASONABLE. When...for the love of all that is holy....when will you folk realize this. More and more government is just not the solution. More intrusion is not the solution. More big brother behavior is not the solution. Come on people, let's pretend that we're humans for a little bit and capable of rational and logical thought. Just for a bit here.

    Wow....just wow.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Is this an idea whose time has come?
    Disagree. It should have come earlier, imo.

    As long as the government uses such registries in a reasonable manner then there's no problem.

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    As long as the government uses such registries in a reasonable manner then there's no problem.
    Precisely... and there's the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Precisely... and there's the problem.
    Could you please elaborate. I would like to take criticism back to the bill author.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Could you please elaborate. I would like to take criticism back to the bill author.
    As just one example, the 'sex offender' lists. It is pretty much universally agreed that there are people on sex offender lists that pose absolutely no threat to anybody anywhere. I.e.: the 18yr old boy with the 16 yr old girlfriend, the college student who went streaking while drunk when he was 19, (drunk) public urination, and so on. And while pretty much everybody agrees these people should not be lumped in with those who actually are legitimate threats, virtually every politician lacks the political backbone to correct these injustices.

    Unless the bill's author is willing to stand up for what is right, and risk being labeled "soft on crime" for doing the right thing, and fix the lists that we already have, then I have no reason to expect that this list will become nothing but more of the same... an overly broad and unfair emotional response that panders to the close-minded and loud people clamoring for this stuff. I'd rather they have no list at all than one that goes too far.

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    As just one example, the 'sex offender' lists. It is pretty much universally agreed that there are people on sex offender lists that pose absolutely no threat to anybody anywhere. I.e.: the 18yr old boy with the 16 yr old girlfriend, the college student who went streaking while drunk when he was 19, (drunk) public urination, and so on. And while pretty much everybody agrees these people should not be lumped in with those who actually are legitimate threats, virtually every politician lacks the political backbone to correct these injustices.

    Unless the bill's author is willing to stand up for what is right, and risk being labeled "soft on crime" for doing the right thing, and fix the lists that we already have, then I have no reason to expect that this list will become nothing but more of the same... an overly broad and unfair emotional response that panders to the close-minded and loud people clamoring for this stuff. I'd rather they have no list at all than one that goes too far.

    Fix the stuff we know we're doing wrong first, then tackle new issues.
    I realize there are shortcomings to the sex offender list. While the inspiration comes from that list, please, this is a different thing. Animal abuse is a problem. As laid out here by others, there is a statistically significant connection between animal abuse and violence against people.
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