View Poll Results: Is a State Animal Abuse Registry a good idea?

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  • YES- this is a good idea

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    So animal sellers now have to perform background checks before selling them? Profoundly unwieldy. People have resisted background checks at gun shows, and you want private breeders to lug laptops around with wireless internet connections at swap meets to sell bulldogs? Compliance will be nil, and local law enforcement is simply not going to dedicate the resources to enforce this.
    LOL, yeah, "lugging" a laptop or tablet around is just soooo difficult. It's not like millions of people do it on a daily basis.

    I love animals as much as the next guy, but this registry is just too much. It adds a thick layer of infrastructure that is difficult to implement and unjustified for the seriousness of the crime in society. It seems obscene to be so focused on animals when there are stories of children in foster care being kept in abominable conditions, ignored by an already overstretched government making excuses about why they can't give the people in their charge the attention that they need.
    Why does it always come to this? Why do people argue that we have to choose between animals and kids? Why can't we want to protect both?

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post

    Then I got to thinking about the Constitutionality of it. How would this Not be considered Cruel and Unusual to permanently brand someone after they had paid their debt to society?
    Why would this "brand" anybody? If someone thinks it's fun to torture animals, why would it bother them to be on a list like that, if they're just doing something they obviously don't think is bad or wrong?
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    One of the things I was hoping to come from this thread is a list of valid objections to the idea and reasons why this would not work so I could present it to the people sponsoring the bill.

    Does anybody have any actual objections that make sense other than that it is not perfect and people do stupid things?
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    One of the things I was hoping to come from this thread is a list of valid objections to the idea and reasons why this would not work so I could present it to the people sponsoring the bill.

    Does anybody have any actual objections that make sense other than that it is not perfect and people do stupid things?
    My largest objection is that I still don't see the cost outweighing the benefit.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Chief I provided some data in the links to back up my statement regarding the connection between animal abusers and domestic violence in post number 3. I provided an answer to your assertion that "[you] do not see how this can better society" in post number .
    Thank you. I missed that some how. I went back and looking and it is very interesting and actually makes sense that a cruel person would start with animals and work up to humans.

    I still do not see the use beyond some research data. The serial killers would just buy the puppies off Craigslist or steal them. They would not go to a pet dealer to spend big cash on registered type animals just to abuse them. Then again, mike Vick reportedly spent some pretty hefty coin on his dogs.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    Thank you. I missed that some how. I went back and looking and it is very interesting and actually makes sense that a cruel person would start with animals and work up to humans.

    I still do not see the use beyond some research data. The serial killers would just buy the puppies off Craigslist or steal them. They would not go to a pet dealer to spend big cash on registered type animals just to abuse them. Then again, mike Vick reportedly spent some pretty hefty coin on his dogs.

    You are welcome Chief...the idea that I do like here is that if the abuser appears in court, when a school looks into the abuser's background they will see that this person has some explaining to do. This could prevent trouble. For those that have school age children should be welcomed news. I am more focused on the global aspect of what abusing animals could means as far as aberrant behavior than other aspects of this legislation.

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Why would this "brand" anybody? If someone thinks it's fun to torture animals, why would it bother them to be on a list like that, if they're just doing something they obviously don't think is bad or wrong?
    That seems, to me, to imply that it will be limited to just those types of people, and implies some sort of closure to the time one is on that list - neither of which seem apparent from the proposed idea.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    My largest objection is that I still don't see the cost outweighing the benefit.
    The initial bill calls for a registration fee of $50.00 for those convicted of animal cruelty.

    Question: what if the cost of the registry would be also funded by voluntary contribution from peoples state tax returns using one of those check off boxes that are rather common these days?
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The initial bill calls for a registration fee of $50.00 for those convicted of animal cruelty.

    Question: what if the cost of the registry would be also funded by voluntary contribution from peoples state tax returns using one of those check off boxes that are rather common these days?
    What about the hassle of the honest citizen? The hassle to the seller? Price is not always a cash value. The opportunity cost of the time to enact and legislate and enforce it could be much better spent elsewhere.
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