View Poll Results: Is a State Animal Abuse Registry a good idea?

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  • YES- this is a good idea

    27 36.00%
  • NO - this is not necessary

    39 52.00%
  • I like to abuse animals and do not want to be stopped

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I was speaking both specifically - in that I do not know the details of counseling programs - but generally the excuse is always that they are expensive.

    I agree with you that the solution in the long run is helping to cure those who can be cured. I simply do NOT see the public support for it right now. So we do what we can for those we can with the tools we can afford at this point in time.

    An enlightened tomorrow would be welcomed.
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    1: The public will never give support if it is never proposed.

    2: Nothing worth having is ever easy to get.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Two things:

    1: The public will never give support if it is never proposed.

    2: Nothing worth having is ever easy to get.
    Perhaps you have not noticed but the Michigan legislature is dominated in both houses by small government cut cut cut libertarian conservative types.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Perhaps you have not noticed but the Michigan legislature is dominated in both houses by small government cut cut cut libertarian conservative types.
    So whats stopping you from advocating for it? Its got to start somewheres. I would bet that if you advocated for this kind of thing as hard as you have advocated for this registry then it would go somewhere.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So whats stopping you from advocating for it? Its got to start somewheres. I would bet that if you advocated for this kind of thing as hard as you have advocated for this registry then it would go somewhere.
    As I have already indicated: if you have some tried and true program that produces results, please present it and I will gladly educate myself about it.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    As I have already indicated: if you have some tried and true program that produces results, please present it and I will gladly educate myself about it.
    Counsuling is a good place to start.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Counsuling is a good place to start.
    Perhaps it is. And I would be more than eager to read about any successful programs you would like to me to look into.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    If it is modeled after the sex offender registry, it is bound to be riddled with the same logical quandaries, and real issues the list has now - from the ease of getting onto it, to the philosophical/moral issues associated with labeling people after they've committed a crime and paid their debt to society. IMO, if we allow ourselves to snap to an idea on an emotional note, and ignore the real questions surrounding the idea being supported emotionally, we're bound to make some grave errors - and do more harm than good.
    I think this is a good cautionary post. I'm not a big fan of even the sex offender registry for the reasons mentioned, although I do believe that, at heart, it is an important system. Of course, I don't really know how I would reform it either. It is a very tricky issue.

    When it comes to animal abuse....why do regular citizens need to know? Unlike a sexual predator, I don't think animal abusers typically prey on the pets of neighbors. It is said that some deranged individuals, serial killers, etc. have been known to abuse animals, but the reverse is certainly not always true. I actually believe that most kids at one point or another in life perform some type of what might be deemed animal abuse. So I would also be curious to know what the definition is and where the line is drawn. Finally, animal abuse is not the same as a sexual psychological disorder where it is very difficult to cure someone of the impulse. So there is less of a justification for putting someone on a list that will effect their entire career because of what may even have been a one-time impulse.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Perhaps you have not noticed but the Michigan legislature is dominated in both houses by small government cut cut cut libertarian conservative types.
    There are no libertarian conservative types at large in office. The number of actual libertarians who have been elected to office is rather small. What you mean to say is that this push for legislation is dominated by Republicans, whom for all there talk are never shy at increasing government.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There are no libertarian conservative types at large in office. The number of actual libertarians who have been elected to office is rather small. What you mean to say is that this push for legislation is dominated by Republicans, whom for all there talk are never shy at increasing government.
    Come to Lansing. I will take you on a tour of their offices. You can meet them. YOu will need more than two hands to count all the libertarian trappings like the DON'T TREAD ON ME flags and other obvious signs. Check the ALEC roster for a list.

    They do NOT run as libertarians because that is the skull and crossbones of politics and would doom them to defeat. But they are conservative libertarian republicans just the same.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Come to Lansing. I will take you on a tour of their offices. You can meet them. YOu will need more than two hands to count all the libertarian trappings like the DON'T TREAD ON ME flags and other obvious signs. Check the ALEC roster for a list.

    They do NOT run as libertarians because that is the skull and crossbones of politics and would doom them to defeat. But they are conservative libertarian republicans just the same.
    I prefer to let action speak louder than words. I'm sure that lots of politicians say lots of things and put lots of different dressings around their office to try to portray themselves in a certain way to the voters. But if they don’t actually back up their propaganda with action, they aren’t actually of the group. Politicians run their mouths all the time, it’s what they do that is important. Libertarians in general would likely oppose these style lists. Don’t trust the Republocrats. Just because they dress like a libertarian doesn’t mean that they actually subscribe to the political philosophy.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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