View Poll Results: Is a State Animal Abuse Registry a good idea?

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  • YES- this is a good idea

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  • I like to abuse animals and do not want to be stopped

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So how is this registry suppose to stop someone from picking a dog like this up and abusing it at home?
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So this registry ultimately stops nothing.
    That is a hyperbolic absurd statement. It will stop a convicted animal abuser from purchasing or adopting an animal from a pet store, shelter, pound, breeder or other commercial venture. And that is where a significant percentage of animals are obtained. We have been told that it would well cover a majority of pet procurements. That is how the law is written and how the law will work.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    And as I have said all along... If this registry does ANYTHING to an animal abuser, it changes his approach a bit. Nothing more. The net sum gain is a financial loss by the state and taxpayers and not a single criminal is stopped and not a single animal is saved.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You want perfection? Some believe heaven offers it. While you remain in this world you will not find it so you should stop looking or demanding it.
    We can get as near to perfection as is possible even if we can't actually achieve it.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is a hyperbolic absurd statement. It will stop a convicted animal abuser from purchasing or adopting an animal from a pet store, shelter, pound, breeder or other commercial venture. And that is where a significant percentage of animals are obtained. We have been told that it would well cover a majority of pet procurements. That is how the law is written and how the law will work.
    Hyperbolic? That's rich considering you keep bringing up the whole "perfection" thing when I have not once demanded it.

    First I would love to see statistics showing that people mainly obtain pets via those methods. The majority of pet procurements are actually done via private sales around where I live. In fact there is 1 animal store 35 miles from where I live and 3 animal shelters in the whole of 2 counties. Yet you go to the local newspaper and you will see at least half a dozen people offering up free animals and another half a dozen offering to sell you an animal.

    BTW...got a revised bill for us yet? One that addresses our concerns?
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your ability to predict the future is amazing in the extreme.

    But just so we know this ability is credible, could you provide the winning lottery numbers in next weeks Power Ball?
    Don't need clairvoyance to know this. Simple knowledge of they way humans are will tell you it. Ask any criminal psychologist.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So this registry ultimately stops nothing.
    It is supposed to stop convicted animal abusers from legally purchasing animals with the specific purpose of abusing the animal. It is not meant to stop everyone every time. If this were the case all laws are a waist of time.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It is supposed to stop convicted animal abusers from legally purchasing animals with the specific purpose of abusing the animal. It is not meant to stop everyone every time. If this were the case all laws are a waist of time.
    I understand this. But the same can be done via a normal background check. Which also takes just a few minuets. As such a public registry is useless.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I understand this. But the same can be done via a normal background check. Which also takes just a few minuets. As such a public registry is useless.
    Agreed since it is a public record anyway. Like I said it is nothing but feel better revenge legislation and nothing more.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Because animals are ultimately a form of property while humans are not.
    Yes, and women and children and slaves were once property as well. Like many companions, I consider my cats part of my family and I treat them with respect. I do not "own" them.

    As for those of you who think my video was my to tear at emotions, I will state once again, I thought it was a nice story. I also think many assumptions have been made be everyone, including myself that the dog was abandoned, that it was feral etc... I went on the evidence presented in the video that the dog did not appear fearful once the humans were holding it. It seemed to adapt well to life in a house, if you have ever had a feral per you know the transition is very difficult -- that is what I based my assumptions on. I mostly posted it because a friend had passed it on to me as a animal story with a good outcome. I truly admire the people who rescue animals because they do work that no one should have to. I also admire them because I would not have the strength to do it. I would have been lying on the ground with the dog probably crying because of its condition.

    Now that that is out of the way -- as for the registry, some of you have suggested background checks, that may suffice. I think there should be some sort of safeguard in place so abusive folks can't do this time and time again. In my city there several shelters and many stores, I know some adoptions occur through private means, but there are plenty of animals in shelters who need to be adopted into a loving environment.

    Call me a sap if you want, I think that the animals humans have domesticated deserve better than being considered "property".

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    Yes, and women and children and slaves were once property as well. Like many companions, I consider my cats part of my family and I treat them with respect. I do not "own" them.
    Really? Well, if that is the case then if someone came to your house, called to your adult pets and your pets went to them it would be safe to assume that you would let that person take them home? After all the cats went willingly...
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