View Poll Results: Is a State Animal Abuse Registry a good idea?

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  • YES- this is a good idea

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  • NO - this is not necessary

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  • I like to abuse animals and do not want to be stopped

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by shelphs View Post
    You are being hyperbolic in your assumptions. Birds and reptiles, though popular pets, are not as universally accepted as mammalian pets. And I specifically commented on how this is cultural and human in nature - that humanity be for greater sympathetic toward that which portrays and displays human characteristics.

    My argument was based on human safety, which I believe animal cruelty is loosely connected, but more important is physical abuse toward a living creature. As a society, that should not be tolerated. Society should combat pain consciously inflicted on sentient beings by other sentient beings.
    An animal is not sentient.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    I love how 5-6% voted for the last two choices. No, we don't need this, at this point. However, if it works effectively and not too costly, I'd revisit it in a few years, see how it works out in Michigan. Let them be the test.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by shelphs View Post
    You are being hyperbolic in your assumptions. Birds and reptiles, though popular pets, are not as universally accepted as mammalian pets. And I specifically commented on how this is cultural and human in nature - that humanity is for greater sympathetic toward that which portrays and displays human characteristics.

    My argument was based on human safety, which I believe animal cruelty is loosely connected, but more important is physical abuse toward a living creature. As a society, humanity should not tolerate such a thing. Society should combat pain consciously inflicted on sentient beings by other sentient beings.
    More liberal "it's for the children" bull****. Nothing else. Anyone who wants to remove more of our rights for useless legislation that amounts to branding people and revenge, is a waist of space really. You can cry hyperbole all you like, but that is how serious the erosion of our rights are.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    An animal is not sentient.
    You should not have gone there, lol. Now every PETA wako on the forum will raise hell.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie1 View Post
    I love how 5-6% voted for the last two choices. No, we don't need this, at this point. However, if it works effectively and not too costly, I'd revisit it in a few years, see how it works out in Michigan. Let them be the test.
    What's even funnier is that the majority of people that have voted are against this "law" and yet Haymarket still insists that it is a good law. Despite him wanting to know how The People" feel about it. Another indication that he is a typical politician. Go against what the people actually want.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You should not have gone there, lol. Now every PETA wako on the forum will raise hell.
    Hey I dont mind joining People Eating Tasty Animals.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    More liberal "it's for the children" bull****. Nothing else. Anyone who wants to remove more of our rights for useless legislation that amounts to branding people and revenge, is a waist of space really. You can cry hyperbole all you like, but that is how serious the erosion of our rights are.
    Please correct me, but I interpret this as pro-abuse to non-human animals. Now, I'm sure that assessment is hyperbolic, and I'd appreciate a clarification in words as to how the two are mutually exclusive. And I make the previous statement b/c I assume you do not disagree with the registry for pedophiles.

    I can understand that you do not award pets the same rights as human children, but the position you express is seemingly based in an "us VS them" mentality, which I must object to. That is a slippery slope and one predicated on humanity being the center of the universe; that is, so long as humans are not abused, nothing is abused.

    (I make the above statement for clarification. NOTE: I am not accusing you of taking this position, but I now cannot see past it. Please clarify your position with direct reference to what's been written above).

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by shelphs View Post
    Please correct me, but I interpret this as pro-abuse to non-human animals. Now, I'm sure that assessment is hyperbolic, and I'd appreciate a clarification in words as to how the two are mutually exclusive. And I make the previous statement b/c I assume you do not disagree with the registry for pedophiles.

    I can understand that you do not award pets the same rights as human children, but the position you express is seemingly based in an "us VS them" mentality, which I must object to. That is a slippery slope and one predicated on humanity being the center of the universe; that is, so long as humans are not abused, nothing is abused.

    (I make the above statement for clarification. NOTE: I am not accusing you of taking this position, but I now cannot see past it. Please clarify your position with direct reference to what's been written above).
    I don't know about Blackdog but I am against the pedophile registry also for the simple fact that it is not being used in the way that it was intended to be used. They are putting people on there that should not be put on there. Ex: 2 sixteen year olds that are dating and one of them happens to send the other a picture of themselves nude. I don't know about others but personally when I was a teenager I remember playing truth or dare quite a bit with the fairer sex and we always included taking off clothes. Its just what kids do.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I don't know about Blackdog but I am against the pedophile registry also for the simple fact that it is not being used in the way that it was intended to be used. They are putting people on there that should not be put on there. Ex: 2 sixteen year olds that are dating and one of them happens to send the other a picture of themselves nude. I don't know about others but personally when I was a teenager I remember playing truth or dare quite a bit with the fairer sex and we always included taking off clothes. Its just what kids do.
    I agree. That is an abuse of the law - an illogical one. It's a means to control youths' behaviour unfairly under the guise of pedophilia, which is something all are against. It's a meager attempt to clump kid impropriety with adult impropriety - pedophilia. Same-aged sexual exploration is clearly not pedophilia. pedophilia by definition requires old and young. This is abuse of an existing law to control youth unjustly. It is an abuse of power and resources.

    That being said, the pedophile registry, as it was intended, is a good law, for such a predilection as pedophilia is prone to repeat offenses if an initial offense is committed.

    But to be against a law b/c the law is abused is odd. Why not be against the abuse of the law?
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by shelphs View Post
    Please correct me, but I interpret this as pro-abuse to non-human animals. Now, I'm sure that assessment is hyperbolic, and I'd appreciate a clarification in words as to how the two are mutually exclusive. And I make the previous statement b/c I assume you do not disagree with the registry for pedophiles.
    Well I love animals allot, I can't even kill a bug or fish anymore. I used to hunt, can't do that anymore either. I scuba with a camera because I believe in live and let live. I still like to eat though, lol. This law however well intended is not about justice, or so that is how it appears on the surface and from the words that Haymarket posted. I also can't see it making any real difference. I mean anyone can grab a stray etc if they really want to torture something. They can buy from a private owner etc. What I am worried about is the person charged with abuse who lost a job, ran out of money and had to decide to feed themselves or the dog etc. Now this person is convicted and will be punished above and beyond what the law has decided is reasonable. I cannot and will not support that. Humans and our rights to privacy and freedom from persecution from a mistake in some cases has to come first.

    If I thought this law would be even remotely useful, I mite give it a chance, but I don't see any good at all coming out of it. Much like the sex offenders data base. I see it as a waist of time. effort and money.

    Quote Originally Posted by shelphs View Post
    I can understand that you do not award pets the same rights as human children, but the position you express is seemingly based in an "us VS them" mentality, which I must object to. That is a slippery slope and one predicated on humanity being the center of the universe; that is, so long as humans are not abused, nothing is abused.
    Just tired of repeating myself over and over when no one is really listening. You on the other hand got my attention with this post. It was well thought out and reasonable even in response to my hyperbole. I figure you earned a dignified and respectful answer.

    Quote Originally Posted by shelphs View Post
    (I make the above statement for clarification. NOTE: I am not accusing you of taking this position, but I now cannot see past it. Please clarify your position with direct reference to what's been written above).
    No problem. I was going to put a simile face here, but that just seems so South Park gay, lol.
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