View Poll Results: Is a State Animal Abuse Registry a good idea?

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    No.


    What's next, an index of habitual speeders? Seatbelt scofflaws?


    We've arguably abused the sex offender registry already.
    There is already a means in place for the above, it seems to work fine:

    For example:

    When you are convicted of a traffic violation, the court notifies the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). DMV does the following:
    • Posts the conviction to your driving record
    • Assigns demerit points to you according to the severity of the offense
    • Issues an order of suspension, if applicable
    • Issues an order requiring the successful completion of a driver improvement clinic, if applicable
    • Notifies your insurance company upon request



    [Length of time stays on your record]

    Habitual Offenders
    • Driving after being declared a habitual offender (11 years)
    • Allowing a person to drive when suspended for habitual offender and/or driving while intoxicated (3 years)

    http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/pdf/dmv115.pdf

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It would not impact private backyard type sales. The law can only do so much. This is a positive step in the right direction. Please do not make the perfect the enemy of the good.
    Much in the same way of private gun sales and background checks and waiting limits...

    As for the straw man.... The DUI reference.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    But, IMO, that still runs into an issue of duration [after all, if somebody offended once, and didn't for 10, 20, 30, 40 yrs, why should they be treated the same?] - and whether or not it would be better served as part of their sentence.

    The thing these lists, the ideas of proverbial scarlet letters misses is that behavior is not a constant, in that people change over time for better or worse - and to perpetually treat them like they'll always do something - as opposed to always living with the fact that they DID something - with things like this just inherently feels wrong. I do make the distinction between things like the Sex offender's registry, this idea, and thigns like sentencing repeat offenders in a court of law, of course.
    that is a valid point. What sort of duration do you think would be reasonable to keep them listed?
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    Much in the same way of private gun sales and background checks and waiting limits...

    As for the straw man.... The DUI reference.
    The DUI reference was yours - not mine. Where is the straw man in this proposed law? This is NOT about guns.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    There is no human abuse registry other than sex offenders. So no.

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    I do not see how this can better society.

    For example in order to be required to register a person must have been convicted of cruelty to animals. This appearance is included in a CORI -- (Criminal Offender Record Information) search which is required to be conducted for any person who will interact with school children within the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, by way of example. If you have a school age child this is a great tool for the schools to use in weeding out those who present a potential harm to those attending or working within the school system. Again it has been established that "there is a very strong correlation between animal abuse and domestic violence".

    This is one very good way society would be served by this legislation.


    "Suffolk County, on the eastern half of Long Island, moved to create the nation's first animal abuse registry this week, requiring people convicted of cruelty to animals to register or face jail time and fines. We know there is a very strong correlation between animal abuse and domestic violence," said Suffolk County legislator Jon Cooper, the bill's sponsor. "Almost every serial killer starts out by torturing animals, so in a strange sense we could end up protecting the lives of people."
    Animal Abuse Registry: Suffolk County, NY Creating Nation's First Public Database Tracking Animal Cruelty Offenders

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The DUI reference was yours - not mine. Where is the straw man in this proposed law? This is NOT about guns.
    I agree. The straw man constructed was mine. And no, it is not about guns. I used that straw man to make a point as well.
    A strawM an is not always a bad thing when you admit it is an anology and only being used to make a point and not to refute the entire argument.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    For the USA, a fat person registry would be better. People on it could not eat at McDonalds or buy Coke or other soda.

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    I like this idea. Some people think they're badasses because they can pick on defenseless animals so let's tell the community of the actions they're so proud of. This is what they wanted to do. Why should this be a scarlet letter? That would presume they feel shame in the first place. If that were the case, they wouldn't have done anything like this to begin with. Maybe this shouldn't be as severe as sex offender registration (which I also support), maybe not lifetime registration, but for say, 5 years then they can be taken off of there have been no other instances.

    This registry would only matter to those us who see animal abuse as a serious thing. Besides, identifying animal abusers help people too, since people who torture animals often go on to hurting people. In fact, torturing animals is how a lot of serial killers got their start.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    We don't need an animal abuse registry. It's not necessary and would be a wast of money.
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