View Poll Results: Is a State Animal Abuse Registry a good idea?

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  • YES- this is a good idea

    27 36.00%
  • NO - this is not necessary

    39 52.00%
  • I like to abuse animals and do not want to be stopped

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post


    Oh man, this is so silly and delusional, it is not even worth responding to.
    You allege violations of your freedom.

    I challenge you to point out which freedoms of yours are being violated.

    Your response is to discuss your own self image and other freedoms which you do not have.

    I point this out.

    You reply with a Nazi slogan.

    Yes, you are being silly and delusional.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And having your name on this registry takes away your freedom to do what exactly? How you feel about yourself is no freedom. The stigma you have on you for your own actions is not freedom. You do not have any right to be free of guilt of consequences from your own illegal actions.
    Isn't this why we have a court system with a set of punishments already outlined? What you and those working on this law are saying is that those punishments are not enough. That people deserve more punishment. If you're going to add more punishment then why not just increase the punishment for animal abuse by adding to their court appointed punishment?

    And I'm going to ask you this question again....How does this list stop people from abusing animals? Which is where the actual solution is.

    Edit note: made a clairification.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Isn't this why we have a court system with a set of punishments already outlined? What you and those working on this law are saying is that those punishments are not enough. That people deserve more punishment. If you're going to add more punishment then why not just increase the punishment for animal abuse?

    And I'm going to ask you this question again....How does this list stop people from abusing animals? Which is where the actual solution is.
    I have no problem with the idea that this is part of the punishment for the crime.

    If a convicted abuser tries to buy an animal through the normal outlets - a shelter, a kennel, a breeder, a pet store, a rescue center, a humane society - they will have to undergo a check and they will not be allowed to obtain one. That step will save animals.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You allege violations of your freedom.

    I challenge you to point out which freedoms of yours are being violated.
    "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have no problem with the idea that this is part of the punishment for the crime.
    A punishment which does not solve the problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If a convicted abuser tries to buy an animal through the normal outlets - a shelter, a kennel, a breeder, a pet store, a rescue center, a humane society - they will have to undergo a check and they will not be allowed to obtain one. That step will save animals.
    No it won't. One a person can get an animal via private sales, something which you cannot touch without running into constitutional problems. It also does not stop someone from finding stray animals and bringing them home. It also does not stop someone from going to the next state and getting an animal via those sources. AKA it does not solve the problem.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
    I would also add this...

    Amendment 8 - Cruel and Unusual Punishment. Ratified 12/15/1791.

    Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I would also add this...

    Amendment 8 - Cruel and Unusual Punishment. Ratified 12/15/1791.

    Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
    Like we give a **** about that one....though we don't seem to give a **** about the 4th either. More and more government, more and more watching, more and more control; and people just don't see what it is that they're calling for.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
    So what?

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I would also add this...

    Amendment 8 - Cruel and Unusual Punishment. Ratified 12/15/1791.

    Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
    There is nothing excessive nor cruel and unusual.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    A punishment which does not solve the problem.



    No it won't. One a person can get an animal via private sales, something which you cannot touch without running into constitutional problems. It also does not stop someone from finding stray animals and bringing them home. It also does not stop someone from going to the next state and getting an animal via those sources. AKA it does not solve the problem.
    It will help. I am not looking for perfection in human endeavors.
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