View Poll Results: Is a State Animal Abuse Registry a good idea?

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  • YES- this is a good idea

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  • I like to abuse animals and do not want to be stopped

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Yes, it is hypocritical. Our relationship with some animals is a purely commercial one, mostly chickens, cows, sheep and pigs. In many cases they are subjected to unnecessary abuse. That is why I try to buy Kosher meat (the animal can not suffer pain or the meat is not Kosher) and I prefer to buy free range products. It is sad that we kill them but it is fundamental. Our arrangement with household animals is different. We have a form of contract with them. They provide companionship and security and we provide room, board and protection. Strengthening and enforcing Animal Cruelty laws is very important. Creating registries is not a valid protection and is an infringement on human rights without a matching benefit.
    We have no contract of any kind with animals. They cannot sign or agree to a contract. Again you are trying to imbue animals with human intelligence and understanding, it just does not fit.

    In the end we do need good animal protection laws, but we need to be careful. Sending someone to prison for failing to take proper care of a cat is very unreasonable. However Something like dog fighting is a felony I believe, that is reasonable because it includes more than just the abuse of dogs. The punishment must fit the crime.

    Again we agree on the registry being a waist.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    My cats do exhibit human qualities. Now, I've invested thousands of hours learning their language and teaching them mine. I would say that they are about 2 years to 3 year old (in human equivalency - see, you win) and they are as important to me as any child would be.

    So, yes, I believe that animals, particularly the domestics (pets) have the same rights to protection as small children. Small children can't vote, drink or go outside unsupervised, but they do have the right to be fed, comforted, receive medical care as if they were human. If there is an active God (separate topic ;-), they are his creations also and have as much "soul" as we do.

    That does not mean that I approve of this REGISTRY process. I do not approve.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That sort of speculation is unfounded. Does it happen now as people discover criminals? I think you are grasping at straws.
    Wow...are you really trying to say that things are not copied and put in other websites? Seriously? How many websites have been linked to and at least partially copied here on this forum alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Two counties in New York state have a registry and nothing like this has happened there.
    First, link them please. Second, they are more than likely not widely known. Third, how do you know nothing like that has happened? Do you live in NY? Do you follow those people around?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    First, animal hoarders and the stereotypical cat ladies are excluded because that is considered more of a mental disorder and will not be included on the Abuse registry.
    Tell it to this woman...Second Animal Case Kept Woman in Jail Overnight

    Lane spent two nights in jail; the first for owning more than two dogs and the second for neutering someone else's dog in 2002.
    This woman "broke the law" and would no doubt be put on that list.

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    Second, as to jobs, I know of no such examples in the two counties where we have this. Again, this seeems more straw grasping to deflect.
    You have people literally living in a closet while their pet dog/cat has the rest of a whole house to themselves and you really think that people won't refuse to hire someone because they are on this list?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    All I stated was that were developing a strategy to meet with the objections of people here who mentioned it. How could you object to a strategy and say it means trouble when I have not said what that strategy is?
    Because any strategy that involved applying that law to craigslist or any site like craigslist would indeed involve interfereing with private sales. Something which leads to a very nasty slippery slope.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm also one of those people who doesn't care much about the government "spying on me." I have nothing to hide.
    It is exactly this attitude that has led to there being so many damn laws on the books today that it is gaurunteed that every single American has broken at least one law.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    "Except as provided in subdivision (c) of this section or Section 599c, every person who maliciously and intentionally maims, mutilates, tortures, or wounds a living animal, or maliciously and
    intentionally kills an animal
    , is guilty of a crime."
    Bold: So I would be on that list. All because I shot 4 kittens between the eyes with a .22 all because we could not find them homes and could not afford to keep them. And don't even tell me that I wouldn't be because I didn't do it "maliciously". Those 5 words would be used seperate from "maliciously". The sex offender registery has shown that in that a teenager could be put on it for simply having a picture on their cell phone of their girlfriend/boyfriend naked.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yes, they are. Animals don't torture animals. Only humans do that.
    I have sat and watched a cat "play" with a mouse until they are dead for over an hour. That's not torture?
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    I think that many things are considered contract. We drive around in 4000 pound cars by contract to stay on our side of the line. Did we sign a contract? No. But there is an implication of contract in many things.

    We do have a contract (IMHO) with our animals that is similar to that we have with very young children. The term "property" is just semantics. We have obligations to both, and the obligations are remarkably similar. To fail in those obligations is a crime.

    You'll never be arrested for refusing your child an ice cream or your cat a salmon treat. We all know the difference between right and wrong. Too bad everybody doesn't honor it.

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Your opinion is no more or less valuable than mine.

    There was a time when blacks were viewed just as you presently view cats. Property. If you owned one, you could pretty much do as you pleased with them. All they wanted to do was work, eat, sleep and defecate. That was terribly wrong and so (IMHO) is your attitude toward domestic animals. It's convenient to presume that someone that is different is less than "human".
    This is the stupidest arguement for this list that I have seen yet.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Try again you have ignored all other authority I have provided and once again are attempting to contour what you pick into a viable and cohesiveness position.
    Your "authority" just basically states that a child that abuses an animal is "more likely" to be abusive as adults. It does not say that they WILL be.

    You position also fails because not everyone that is charged and convicted of animal abuse are violent. There are those that truely do love the animals that they had. Even to the point of considering them their children. Yet they were convicted of animal abuse for the simple fact that the animals that they had were not fed properly or kept clean. Normally for reasons of poverty. Not for reasons of physcial violent abuse.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I think that many things are considered contract. We drive around in 4000 pound cars by contract to stay on our side of the line. Did we sign a contract? No. But there is an implication of contract in many things.

    We do have a contract (IMHO) with our animals that is similar to that we have with very young children. The term "property" is just semantics. We have obligations to both, and the obligations are remarkably similar. To fail in those obligations is a crime.

    You'll never be arrested for refusing your child an ice cream or your cat a salmon treat. We all know the difference between right and wrong. Too bad everybody doesn't honor it.
    Actually in order to drive on public roads we did sign a contract. That signing happened when you signed your drivers license. By getting that license and signing it you agreed to follow the rules of the road contractually.
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