View Poll Results: Is a State Animal Abuse Registry a good idea?

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  • YES- this is a good idea

    27 36.00%
  • NO - this is not necessary

    39 52.00%
  • I like to abuse animals and do not want to be stopped

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So they end up on this list and we send them to re-education camp then?
    Not at all. People have problems sometimes, good people, people who may been victimized and do not know how to express their anger or process their feelings and abuse animals. Many of them could be helped or have overcome their situations. I cannot condone a situation where another person should be put at risk if there was a way to avoid it. This is a useful way to use that information. If these people have overcome their problems then it should not be held against them. This is no different than a DUI or a domestic violence situation where a TRO was obtained this information is on the CORI as well. These are all indicators of how a person has developed or is a risk to others. I do not think there is anyone who would risk their child's safety for the sake of not categorizing a public record.

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Not at all. People have problems sometimes, good people, people who may been victimized and do not know how to express their anger or process their feelings and abuse animals. Many of them could be helped or have overcome their situations. I cannot condone a situation where another person should be put at risk if there was a way to avoid it. This is a useful way to use that information. If these people have overcome their problems then it should not be held against them. This is no different than a DUI or a domestic violence situation where a TRO was obtained this information is on the CORI as well. These are all indicators of how a person has developed or is a risk to others. I do not think there is anyone who would risk their child's safety for the sake of not categorizing a public record.
    Thanks Lovejoy. But I don't need you or the government to protect my children. So what are you doing with the list. You already said that people on it shouldn't somehow be allowed near children or some such nonsense. What else are we doing with the list? Restricting where they can live? Maybe we should just Florida this up and make it so they can only live under overpasses. That was a good result from a list. Do we restrict what jobs they can have?

    These people may do something in the future, and for the sake of the children we should freak out and expand government force to include lists and what have you. But where exactly are we drawing a line? I mean, this is the lowest form of humanity, yes? And we don't want them near children, yes? Maybe they shouldn't be allowed in parks either. Just think about what would happen if one of these people got near a child! Why that child would be throwing cats into a burlap sack and then into a lake if anything of the sort happened! Won't someone PLEASE think of the children!
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Thanks Lovejoy.
    That is silly. Lovejoy LOL that is actually funny.

    But I don't need you or the government to protect my children. So what are you doing with the list. You already said that people on it shouldn't somehow be allowed near children or some such nonsense. What else are we doing with the list? Restricting where they can live? Maybe we should just Florida this up and make it so they can only live under overpasses. That was a good result from a list. Do we restrict what jobs they can have?

    These people may do something in the future, and for the sake of the children we should freak out and expand government force to include lists and what have you. But where exactly are we drawing a line? I mean, this is the lowest form of humanity, yes? And we don't want them near children, yes? Maybe they shouldn't be allowed in parks either. Just think about what would happen if one of these people got near a child! Why that child would be throwing cats into a burlap sack and then into a lake if anything of the sort happened! Won't someone PLEASE think of the children!
    I do not recall saying, " that people on it shouldn't somehow be allowed near children or some such nonsense." Other than that your statement is bordering on the histrionic and does not really make any sense.

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    I do not recall saying, " that people on it shouldn't somehow be allowed near children or some such nonsense." Other than that your statement is bordering on the histrionic and does not really make any sense.
    So when you said

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Not your reality certainly, and that is fine by me. I use those sources that have actually worked or studied in the area, rather than opine on something that I have little or no knowledge of.

    As I cited previously, a CORI check would be conducted on those that wish to work/volunteer in the school system of Massachusetts would uncover a person who is an animal abuser. The reason why that is important and would serve society is:

    see "Animal Cruelty and Psychiatric Disorders" Roman Gleyzer, MD, Alan R. Felthous, MD, and Charles E. Holzer III, PhD http://jaapl.org/content/30/2/257.full.pdf

    If I had a school age child, a kindergartner, I would not want this person to be around the students. Word of mouth, a well intentioned comment will do little to reverse the effects of a person who should not be around a certain population of society.
    You're not saying that this list should be available as a search for those wishing to work/volunteer at a school. And that furthermore the added benefit of the list is to know about these people because you wouldn't want them to be around studends and that certain people should not be around a certain population of society?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So when you said



    You're not saying that this list should be available as a search for those wishing to work/volunteer at a school. And that furthermore the added benefit of the list is to know about these people because you wouldn't want them to be around studends and that certain people should not be around a certain population of society?
    It should be and there are those who should not be around a certain population, not because they have been convicted of a certain offense, but because they have not overcome their problems.
    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Not at all. People have problems sometimes, good people, people who may been victimized and do not know how to express their anger or process their feelings and abuse animals. Many of them could be helped or have overcome their situations. I cannot condone a situation where another person should be put at risk if there was a way to avoid it. This is a useful way to use that information. If these people have overcome their problems then it should not be held against them. This is no different than a DUI or a domestic violence situation where a TRO was obtained this information is on the CORI as well. These are all indicators of how a person has developed or is a risk to others. I do not think there is anyone who would risk their child's safety for the sake of not categorizing a public record.

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    Earlier you stated that it had been enacted in two other places already. You made that claim to refute the possibility that PETA would target the people on this list.
    It has been enacted in Rockland County and Suffolk County, NY. And it is relatively new there also. Michigan would be the first state with a state wide registry. The PETA thing seems to be your version of the boogey man.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So any time you buy a pet at the store or from a private owner etc, a check would be made? So I have to now give up private information to my local pet store to by a hamster etc???

    Absolutely preposterous.

    Why would I change my ideology when I see it as correct? I understand the need to protect animals from abuse, but I am not willing to give up privacy because I want a dog.
    You would not be giving them any more private information that you would on a check for payment or showing a drivers license to buy booze or smokes.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    It should be and there are those who should not be around a certain population, not because they have been convicted of a certain offense, but because they have not overcome their problems.
    So this list that you're using lets you know if someone has overcome their problems?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You would not be giving them any more private information that you would on a check for payment or showing a drivers license to buy booze or smokes.
    Who uses checks anymore? As for drivers license, it's not like they memorize it. Sorry this law or whatever is an incredibly bad idea. My name and address does not need to be tracked because I buy a pet.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Your opinion is no more or less valuable than mine.

    There was a time when blacks were viewed just as you presently view cats. Property. If you owned one, you could pretty much do as you pleased with them. All they wanted to do was work, eat, sleep and defecate. That was terribly wrong and so (IMHO) is your attitude toward domestic animals. It's convenient to presume that someone that is different is less than "human".
    You have got to be kidding? Now animal cruelty is on the same level as human slavery??? I am not assuming "someone" that is different is less than human. I am saying as a scientific verifiable fact that an animal is not human.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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