View Poll Results: Is a State Animal Abuse Registry a good idea?

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You’re little spiel on how great another government enforced list would be.

    Yes, humans are better than animals. The expansion of government in this form against the individual is not warranted. I stand by the comment. If we are talking about aggressive Big Brother databasing of humans for some unproven, perceived, and imagined benefit for the animal; it’s a no brainer. The animal loses. Property loses to humans.

    Those are some unproven benefits laid forth by you with no supporting data, yes. But it’s not actually demonstrated “benefit”.
    You have not studied the resources I have provided.

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    No I quoted you. "I have no idea what local, state or national law that may or may not be."
    No you didn't, you said "I agree you do not have any idea what you are talking about. I present law you respond with assumptions."

    Any questions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    This statement has no merit whatsoever.
    It has allot of merit when taken into context with your nonexistent argument.

    Oh and I looked up your "code" really? I mean really??? Now I see why you did not want to put up a link. That is the CA penal code. Completely irrelevant to Detroit.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    You have not studied the resources I have provided.
    I read your opinion.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No you didn't, you said "I agree you do not have any idea what you are talking about. I present law you respond with assumptions."

    Any questions?



    It has allot of merit when taken into context with your nonexistent argument.

    Oh and I looked up your "code" really? I mean really??? Now I see why you did not want to put up a link. That is the CA penal code. Completely irrelevant to Detroit.

    You are truly seeking to grab something out of the air.

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I read your opinion.
    His "resources" do not in any way justify any kind of animal abuse registry. What his evidence supports is "thought crime."
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I read your opinion.
    My opinion is based on resources and application thereof.

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    You are truly seeking to grab something out of the air.
    Considering your lack of any coherent argument, or any real rebuttal to questions etc put to you. You make it easy to poke HUGE holes in so far a pretty worthless fallacy filled argument.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    My opinion is based on resources and application thereof.
    It's certainly based on something. I wouldn't go so far as to call that something "reality".
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    And just how would we know it stopped it if it stopped it??
    Pretty much my point, but let me ask another way......

    How many known animal cruelty offenders have been turned away by a breeder or pet store or adoption shelter in the two places that this registry is in effect?
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    Read dozens of books about heroes and crooks and I've learned much from both of their styles!

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's certainly based on something. I wouldn't go so far as to call that something "reality".
    Not your reality certainly, and that is fine by me. I use those sources that have actually worked or studied in the area, rather than opine on something that I have little or no knowledge of.

    As I cited previously, a CORI check would be conducted on those that wish to work/volunteer in the school system of Massachusetts would uncover a person who is an animal abuser. The reason why that is important and would serve society is:

    Animal cruelty in childhood, although generally viewed as abnormal or deviant, for years was not considered symptomatic of any particular psychiatric disorder. Although animal cruelty is currently used as a diagnostic criterion for conduct disorder, research establishing the diagnostic significance of this behavior is essentially nonexistent. In the current study, investigators tested the hypothesis that a history of substantial animal cruelty is associated with a diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder (APD) and looked for associations with other disorders commonly diagnosed in a population of criminal defendants. Forty-eight subjects, criminal defendants who had histories of substantial animal cruelty, were matched with defendants without this history. Data were systematically obtained from the files by using four specifically designed data retrieval outlines. A history of animal cruelty during childhood was significantly associated with APD, antisocial personality traits, and polysubstance abuse. Mental retardation, psychotic disorders, and alcohol abuse showed no such association.
    see "Animal Cruelty and Psychiatric Disorders" Roman Gleyzer, MD, Alan R. Felthous, MD, and Charles E. Holzer III, PhD http://jaapl.org/content/30/2/257.full.pdf

    If I had a school age child, a kindergartner, I would not want this person to be around the students. Word of mouth, a well intentioned comment will do little to reverse the effects of a person who should not be around a certain population of society.

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