View Poll Results: Is a State Animal Abuse Registry a good idea?

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  • YES- this is a good idea

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    I do want to thank everyone for participating here. I especially want to acknowledge those who were constructively critical and made suggestions or asked good questions.

    Yesterday, I was part of a meeting for several hours where we took the bill as introduced and worked on offering substitute language for some of the things that people objected to here. I hope to have that soon.

    You are helping to make this work and I thank you for it. And that will help animals who cannot help themselves.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Bull**** excuse for even more government intervention into our lives.
    Not "our" lives unless you are an animal abuser.



    It's an animal and we have laws to punish those who break them. This however does not mean we need to publicly humiliate people for animal abuse or give the government more control.
    This is not to publicly humiliate anyone that excuse can be used on any public list of offenders, anyone can start at their local police station or US post office as there are wanted lists available, there are public lists of defendants and plaintiffs in any court matter. Our society is made up of lists, some positive like the Honor Roll at school and some negative like "Uninvited Guests" list here at DP. http://www.debatepolitics.com/announ...ed-guests.html

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    An animal abuser is not considered to be one of my "own people."
    They are though, regardless of whatever mantra you want to throw out there. It doesn't make them not human or not American. So in reality it doesn't matter.

    I would personally beat the **** out of every animal I came across if it could prevent lists like this. There is nothing "positive" about this. It is nothing more than Big Brother databasing tactics used against the American People. More government, more government, more government. Is that the only thing you people can say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They are though, regardless of whatever mantra you want to throw out there. It doesn't make them not human or not American. So in reality it doesn't matter.

    I would personally beat the **** out of every animal I came across if it could prevent lists like this. There is nothing "positive" about this. It is nothing more than Big Brother databasing tactics used against the American People. More government, more government, more government. Is that the only thing you people can say?
    Ikari - If we can put aside the slogans like Big Brother for a moment, what is wrong with arming the citizenry and business with information that will help prevent animal abuse?
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Ikari - If we can put aside the slogans like Big Brother for a moment, what is wrong with arming the citizenry and business with information that will help prevent animal abuse?
    What other lists are we going to have for property abuse? We don't need the lists. There is no reason to expand government's ability to database and collect information. I'm against the sex offender list too, the terrorist list, or whatever other lists governmnt has to keep tabs on us. They do not need to be looking over my shoulder every second they get.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    What good can come of this? Our cats will be safe? I just don't see it.

    I would be willing to bet money people would end up on this list for any infraction that involves an animal. Hell the list they have now includes people not even convicted of anything.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They are though, regardless of whatever mantra you want to throw out there. It doesn't make them not human or not American. So in reality it doesn't matter.

    I would personally beat the **** out of every animal I came across if it could prevent lists like this. There is nothing "positive" about this. It is nothing more than Big Brother databasing tactics used against the American People. More government, more government, more government. Is that the only thing you people can say?
    While I agree it is a scarlet letter list, I also believe that animals are much more than personal property...which is how the law views them. Animal abuse is heinous, beyond reprehensible in my opinion. I also know that people who abuse animals enough to get prosecuted and convicted are the lowest of the lowest of the low in our society. And that animal abuse is quite often a precursor of things to come -- not associated with animals.

    You cannot starve horses to death in a corral and let their hooves rot off because you're short of money.
    You cannot set cats on fire.
    You cannot fight pitbulls.
    You cannot beat dogs to death.

    And, if you do, I hope Big Brother is watching. And I hope that your friends and neighbors know exactly what kind of human being you are.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    While I agree it is a scarlet letter list, I also believe that animals are much more than personal property...which is how the law views them. Animal abuse is heinous, beyond reprehensible in my opinion. I also know that people who abuse animals enough to get prosecuted and convicted are the lowest of the lowest of the low in our society. And that animal abuse is quite often a precursor of things to come -- not associated with animals.
    May or may not lead to something is not enough to justify government intrusion.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You cannot starve horses to death in a corral and let their hooves rot off because you're short of money.
    You cannot set cats on fire.
    You cannot fight pitbulls.
    You cannot beat dogs to death.
    We already have laws against this, so why would a registry be needed? You still have yet to answer what good will come out of this?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    And, if you do, I hope Big Brother is watching. And I hope that your friends and neighbors know exactly what kind of human being you are.
    This is exactly what we don't need. The government and your neighbor spying on each other. Think about that, because they could be spying on you.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Not "our" lives unless you are an animal abuser.
    Yes because someone who can't afford to feed a horse is such a hardend criminal. They definitely need to be publicly humiliated. Hell this is the 13th century!

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    This is not to publicly humiliate anyone that excuse can be used on any public list of offenders, anyone can start at their local police station or US post office as there are wanted lists available, there are public lists of defendants and plaintiffs in any court matter. Our society is made up of lists, some positive like the Honor Roll at school and some negative like "Uninvited Guests" list here at DP. http://www.debatepolitics.com/announ...ed-guests.html
    Again bull****. This is nothing but feel good useless intrusion needlessly. If the government already has the criminal charges, and they are public, why do we need a registry? It is just total crap.

    Wow an "uninvited guest" list. Made up of anonymous user handles on the internet. Now if they posted real names and addresses, that would be a different story.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I also know that people who abuse animals enough to get prosecuted and convicted are the lowest of the lowest of the low in our society.
    Anyone who does anything bad to another human is lower than animal abusers. Clearly. Animal abuse lowest of the low? That statement cannot be made by fully rational individuals.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    May or may not lead to something is not enough to justify government intrusion.

    We already have laws against this, so why would a registry be needed? You still have yet to answer what good will come out of this?

    This is exactly what we don't need. The government and your neighbor spying on each other. Think about that, because they could be spying on you.
    What good comes out of the pedophile database? It puts people on notice that they need to be vigilant.

    This information is all public record. The only thing different about it is that it is more readily accessible. I see nothing wrong with it. I'm a Realtor. Look me up in our Illinois database, and you'll see any license infraction I've ever had. (None, in my case, btw.) This kind of database is not without precedent. Maybe we ought to have one for people convicted of domestic violence...in fact, I think that'd be an excellent idea.

    I'm also one of those people who doesn't care much about the government "spying on me." I have nothing to hide.
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