View Poll Results: Is a State Animal Abuse Registry a good idea?

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  • YES- this is a good idea

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    Nothing.... And this list won't stop anyone from getting them either.

    If a criminal wants a gun, he can get one. If a drug user wants drugs, he can get them. If a panty sniffer wants panties, he can get them....

    This may alter their behavior a bit. Now they will use Craigslist and the classifieds instead of the pound or a breeder. In the end it will be a hassle and an adder expense to regular folks and to the pound. It will also unfairly make a reformed/rehabilitated person a target for over zealous PETA types.

    If you don't think PETA will take that list and use it to hassle people, you are delusional.
    I brought up the Craigs list issue at the afternoon meeting where we rewrote sections of the bill. We are developing a strategy for that.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    In the end a registry such as this does nothing but keep the punishment going for the entire life of a person. What is the use of even letting criminals out of jail/prison if they are just going to be punished for the rest of their lives?
    Not true. They are on it for five years.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I know I can get very cynical, but the ability to be removed from a registry if one is unfairly included has to be real and honest. No empty verbiage saying it can be done, but then supplying no path, or worse, making the path so difficult that there might as well not be a path at all.



    In that case I was being semi-facetious trying to make a point that the information is already out there in some form or another.
    There is a provision in the bill for that and we strengthened it this afternoon. We should have the new language by the end of the week or early next week. It provides a clear and fast way to get off the list if you do not belong on it and puts the onus on the State to prove at a hearing within thirty days from the complain that you do belong on it or they must take you off.

    Thanks to everyone for helping to make this better.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Not true. They are on it for five years.
    Maybe on that list. But as anyone should know...once something is put on the internet it is there permanently. People will copy what is on that list and reproduce it over and over and over. You cannot stop that, no matter how much you legislate.

    And what about the PETA types? What are you going to do to stop them from harrassing those on that list? Ultimately there is no way. Westboro Baptist Church showed that.

    How are you going to address the problem of people not getting jobs because of being on that list? Even if they were simply on there due to having too many animals on a property which can be considered abuse, no matter how well they were taking care of. Even if the job that they applied to has nothing to do with animals.

    As for your "craigslist" strategy that can mean nothing but trouble for the common innocent person. Not to mention interfereing with private sales which even the Feds have yet been able to do constitutionally.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

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    Maybe on that list. But as anyone should know...once something is put on the internet it is there permanently. People will copy what is on that list and reproduce it over and over and over. You cannot stop that, no matter how much you legislate.
    That sort of speculation is unfounded. Does it happen now as people discover criminals? I think you are grasping at straws.

    And what about the PETA types? What are you going to do to stop them from harrassing those on that list? Ultimately there is no way. Westboro Baptist Church showed that.
    Two counties in New York state have a registry and nothing like this has happened there.

    How are you going to address the problem of people not getting jobs because of being on that list? Even if they were simply on there due to having too many animals on a property which can be considered abuse, no matter how well they were taking care of. Even if the job that they applied to has nothing to do with animals.
    First, animal hoarders and the stereotypical cat ladies are excluded because that is considered more of a mental disorder and will not be included on the Abuse registry.
    Second, as to jobs, I know of no such examples in the two counties where we have this. Again, this seeems more straw grasping to deflect.

    As for your "craigslist" strategy that can mean nothing but trouble for the common innocent person. Not to mention interfereing with private sales which even the Feds have yet been able to do constitutionally.
    All I stated was that were developing a strategy to meet with the objections of people here who mentioned it. How could you object to a strategy and say it means trouble when I have not said what that strategy is?

    I really get the impression that if I did find a way to neutralize ten of your major objections to this list, you would only dismiss it and come up with more.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    All these sorts of lists need to go away. I can't believe there are people who would honestly endorse this type of Big Brother tactic against their own people. We do not need to database ourselves even further; the government has already assumed too much on this front. And you guys just keep shoveling more right to them.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And what about the PETA types? What are you going to do to stop them from harrassing those on that list? Ultimately there is no way. Westboro Baptist Church showed that.
    It's all a matter of public record. What is the problem with actually having it public enough to do people some good?

    How are you going to address the problem of people not getting jobs because of being on that list? Even if they were simply on there due to having too many animals on a property which can be considered abuse, no matter how well they were taking care of. Even if the job that they applied to has nothing to do with animals.
    Having too many animals on a property is a zoning violation...not animal abuse. I hope the list has a brief description of what the person actually did, though. Using 1st-2nd-3rd degree animal abuse notations doesn't tell the whole story.

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    All these sorts of lists need to go away. I can't believe there are people who would honestly endorse this type of Big Brother tactic against their own people. We do not need to database ourselves even further; the government has already assumed too much on this front. And you guys just keep shoveling more right to them.
    An animal abuser is not considered to be one of my "own people."


    This measure is a positive step for an invisible yet important population which we as a society have domesticated and invited to be our companions and guides in some instances. Moreover, it serves as a index for those who wish to use it when viewing those who commit violence against my people and seeking the correction between violence against animals and the antisocial personality.

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    An animal abuser is not considered to be one of my "own people."


    This measure is a positive step for an invisible yet important population which we as a society have domesticated and invited to be our companions and guides in some instances. Moreover, it serves as a index for those who wish to use it when viewing those who commit violence against my people and seeking the correction between violence against animals and the antisocial personality.
    Bull**** excuse for even more government intervention into our lives. It's an animal and we have laws to punish those who break them. This however does not mean we need to publicly humiliate people for animal abuse or give the government more control.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It's all a matter of public record. What is the problem with actually having it public enough to do people some good?
    What good can come of this? Our cats will be safe? I just don't see it.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Having too many animals on a property is a zoning violation...not animal abuse. I hope the list has a brief description of what the person actually did, though. Using 1st-2nd-3rd degree animal abuse notations doesn't tell the whole story.
    I would be willing to bet money people would end up on this list for any infraction that involves an animal. Hell the list they have now includes people not even convicted of anything.
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