View Poll Results: Is a State Animal Abuse Registry a good idea?

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  • YES- this is a good idea

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  • I like to abuse animals and do not want to be stopped

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Actually the number of arrests alone is staggering let alone the numbers for convictions.

    This site has allot of information: Pet-Abuse.Com - Home

    I think a registry is a waist of time and money, but the amount of arrests and convictions is not understated in any way.
    Took a look there and if that is any indication of what an animal abuse registry would hold I would definitely have to say NO!

    I clicked on the "searchable database of animal cruelty cases" link and then hit the "browse all cases" link after that. While looking through them I didn't once see one single "convicted" charge until page 9. The rest were generally either "open" or "alleged".
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Took a look there and if that is any indication of what an animal abuse registry would hold I would definitely have to say NO!

    I clicked on the "searchable database of animal cruelty cases" link and then hit the "browse all cases" link after that. While looking through them I didn't once see one single "convicted" charge until page 9. The rest were generally either "open" or "alleged".
    Agreed. With this, you would get your name permanently tarnished just because you were "hoarding"? Come on, let the cat ladies enjoy themselves.

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    As promised, here is the actual bill

    http://session.mihouse.mi.gov/Session.Net/BillInfo.aspx

    This is what was introduced in February. I know that there is a conference today and tomorrow to revise, amend and change it.

    All constructive criticisms are most welcomed.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    As promised, here is the actual bill

    http://session.mihouse.mi.gov/Session.Net/BillInfo.aspx

    This is what was introduced in February. I know that there is a conference today and tomorrow to revise, amend and change it.

    All constructive criticisms are most welcomed.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Dead link.
    Really!?!?!? When I click on it I get the Michigan House screen and in blue is the bill. Maybe my comptuter gets it an no other. I will try a different way.

    btw - bi partisan support today from the Republican chair ofthe Senate Judiciary Committee.

    Jones On Board With Animal Registry

    Rep. Harvey SANTANA (D-Detroit) has picked up some key support for his proposed animal abuser registry patterned after the state's sex offender registry.

    Count the Senate Judiciary Chair Rick JONES (R-Grand Ledge) as a yes vote.

    "The sick, perverted people that torture dogs and cats should be on a list," the former Eaton County Sheriff told MIRS.

    Both he and Santana point to the list of mass murderers who began their criminal ways by mutilating animals and moving on to humans.

    Jones recalls the local case of Donald MILLER, who not only killed his fiancé in a famous case in Lansing during the late 1970s but also went on to murder three more victims and was caught trying to kill a fifth victim when he was arrested by authorities.

    "I worked on that case, and reportedly he abused animals" before he became a mass killer," Jones said.

    Santana uses the Jeffrey DAHMER case as his example of how animal abuse can be a launching pad for murderers. Dahmer killed, and in some cases consumed, the human remains of 17 men and boys he lured to his home. It was shown that prior to that crime spree he dismembered small animals in the woods behind his house as a young man.

    Santana, appearing on Off the Record, draws a line from animal abuse to spousal abuse as well.

    "There's a study out there that says a woman is subject to sexual abuse if she marries a man who was guilty of animal abuse," Santana said.

    Santana said he's been told by the chair of the House Judiciary Committee that the proposal has merit, but Rep. John WALSH (R-Livonia) said he has other issues at the head of the line before he can tackle this.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Michigan Legislature - House Bill 5403 (2012)

    Lets try this. It works for me - but again - my State computer may be set to get it... cross your fingers.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Michigan Legislature - House Bill 5403 (2012)

    Lets try this. It works for me - but again - my State computer may be set to get it... cross your fingers.
    The first link was dead for me also, but this second one worked fine. I'll have to check it out later, though. Thanks.

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Michigan Legislature - House Bill 5403 (2012)

    Lets try this. It works for me - but again - my State computer may be set to get it... cross your fingers.
    . A registration shall contain all of the following information:

    (a) The individual's name, social security number, date of birth, and address or expected address. An individual who is in a witness protection and relocation program is only required to use the name and identifying information reflecting his or her new identity in a registration under this act. The registration and compilation databases shall not contain any information identifying the individual's prior identity or locale. The department shall request each individual to provide his or her date of birth if it is not included in the registration, and that individual shall comply with the request within 10 days.

    (b) A brief summary of the individual's convictions for animal abuse offenses regardless of when the conviction occurred, including where the offense occurred and the original charge if the conviction was for a lesser offense.

    (c) A complete physical description of the individual.

    (d) The photograph required under section 9.

    (e) The individual's fingerprints if not already on file with the department. The department shall forward a copy of the individual's fingerprints to the federal bureau of investigation if not already on file with that bureau.

    (2) A registration may contain the individual's blood type and whether a DNA identification profile of the individual is
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    I have no problems with any of this. Animal abuse is horrific. Some public shame should be attached to it. This accomplishes that quite well.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    I am very passionate about the issue of animal abuse. I've thought about this for the last couple of days since this thread began.

    While I would like to see animal abusers punished - severely - I think I am not in favor of adding this registry. We are drowning in laws and I just can't support more of them.

    Animal abuse is one of those categories where arrests and conviction don't cover even a fraction of the crimes. Kind of like drug laws. This registry won't stop anyone from getting an animal from Craig's List. It's just more bureaucracy of the "feel good" type. As another poster pointed out, you'll end up with the Cat Ladies populating the list because they broke a zoning law. I'm a "Cat Lady" and I have never done anything but help, restore, nourish and relocate cats.

    Just like gun laws, how about punishing the criminals, and only the criminals.

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I am very passionate about the issue of animal abuse. I've thought about this for the last couple of days since this thread began.

    While I would like to see animal abusers punished - severely - I think I am not in favor of adding this registry. We are drowning in laws and I just can't support more of them.

    Animal abuse is one of those categories where arrests and conviction don't cover even a fraction of the crimes. Kind of like drug laws. This registry won't stop anyone from getting an animal from Craig's List. It's just more bureaucracy of the "feel good" type. As another poster pointed out, you'll end up with the Cat Ladies populating the list because they broke a zoning law. I'm a "Cat Lady" and I have never done anything but help, restore, nourish and relocate cats.

    Just like gun laws, how about punishing the criminals, and only the criminals.
    Thank you for that input. Is there any suggestions you can make that would speak to some of your concerns and imporve this bill? I will gladly pass them on to the bills sponsors.
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