View Poll Results: Is a State Animal Abuse Registry a good idea?

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  • YES- this is a good idea

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  • NO - this is not necessary

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  • I like to abuse animals and do not want to be stopped

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Would it be possible to get a copy of the text of the proposed bill?
    Absolutely. When I get back in the office tomorrow I will put up a link. Just keep in mind that the bill is undergoing lots of changes from its original introduction. But I will say more about that tomorrow.

    The office I work for signed on as a co-sponsor. I was asked to "break it" which means find out what people object to about it. I figured this was as good of place as any to get opinion.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Absolutely. When I get back in the office tomorrow I will put up a link. Just keep in mind that the bill is undergoing lots of changes from its original introduction. But I will say more about that tomorrow.

    The office I work for signed on as a co-sponsor. I was asked to "break it" which means find out what people object to about it. I figured this was as good of place as any to get opinion.
    Thanks. Keep in mind that I am not opposed to the idea, just that I have serious concerns about the practical application. Knowing what we know regarding other similar things, I don't feel that more of the same "unintended consequences" are acceptable.

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Local Animal Cruelty Case Search | Pet-Abuse.Com Animal Cruelty Database

    There's your list. Why do we need another official government list, again?

    Keep in mind a couple points, also...

    1) The example given is Wayne County, which includes Detroit, whose numbers are most likely waaaaaay higher than any other county in the state.

    2) Many of the names on the list I cite above include investigations that are 'alleged' and 'open', which means the actual number of convictions is significantly lower. Granted, many of them, if not most, will eventually be convicted, but this is just example #12,409,844 that our society doesn't really believe in "innocent until proven guilty" no matter how much we prattle on about it. We've seen this in other lists, we see it here, we have no reason to believe this list will be better, and while the challenge was laid down a few pages ago for supporters to suggests safeguards, not one supporter has attempted to do so.
    Your post has nothing to do with my response at all. I don't support this kind of list as it is a waist of time. This however does not diminish the amount of arrests and convictions for animal cruelty numbers.

    Please read what I am saying before you knee jerk.

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Your post has nothing to do with my response at all. I don't support this kind of list as it is a waist of time. This however does not diminish the amount of arrests and convictions for animal cruelty numbers.

    Please read what I am saying before you knee jerk.

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    My post dealt with the link in your post and how it related to what others have been saying. Yes, I suppose I should have narrowed it down. Forgive me my sins, oh great one... and take a Valium.

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Thanks. Keep in mind that I am not opposed to the idea, just that I have serious concerns about the practical application. Knowing what we know regarding other similar things, I don't feel that more of the same "unintended consequences" are acceptable.

    No problem. Your ideas are helpful.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Took several posts to get around to it, but it appears you do approve of collateral damage. The end justifies the means, innocence is irrelevant, and as long as branding 2 people as criminals... "keeps one sadistic freak from getting hands on an innocent animal"... so be it.
    Instead of an out-of-context cheap shot of putting words in my mouth, how about posting the entire thing. Then look at what I actually wrote, and respond to that.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    There are literally hundreds of individual animal control-type agencies in a single state. Each has a database. It would require those databases to be consolidated into a single site to be useful.

    There are certainly ways one could limit access to breeders, animal rescue organizations, those who buy/sell livestock. The public doesn't have access to no-fly lists, after all, and as for sex-offender lists, that's a whole 'nother topic. A good idea, peppered by idiocy run amuck by including someone caught urinating in public with pedophiles and rapists. The mind boggles.

    Anyway, this sounds inexpensive and useful, and if it keeps one sadistic freak from getting hands on an innocent animal, I'd like to see it tried.
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Instead of an out-of-context cheap shot of putting words in my mouth, how about posting the entire thing. Then look at what I actually wrote, and respond to that.
    You said the "right" things, but your last sentence negated all of it.

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    If that's what you gleaned from my comment(s), then your reading comprehension is a HUGE FAIL.
    And if you think anyone is ok with or advocating for innocent people to be on any registry, then you should re-evaluate your own reading comprehension skills.

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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Absolutely not. People shouldn't have mistakes dogging them for the rest of their lives.
    Well, that stuff is a matter of public record. Why not make it actually worth something to others to have the information readily accessible?
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    Re: Animal Abuse Registry

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, that stuff is a matter of public record. Why not make it actually worth something to others to have the information readily accessible?
    I'm not sure if Hatuey meant that or if he just wanted to use the word "dogging" in a thread about animals.

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