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    Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal? Or, is this a prime example of bureaucrats and government going beyond their legitimate bounds?

    Every so often, almost like clockwork, there will be a news story about a kids lemonade stand being shut down because they don't have proper permits, health inspections, or whatever. A good example this the recent John Stossel report linked in this thread.

    Personally, I am torn. On the one hand... it's kids trying to make some money... and doing something both educational and constructive in the process. Especially when the business license/permit thing comes in. Give it a break and leave the kids alone. I'm a believer that the intent of the law is more important than the letter of the law (in most instances), and I don't see any harm being done here. Not to local businesses, not to anybody. The government and other strict law-and-order types will lose me every time if they try and argue this point.

    Where the other hand comes in is the health angle. Part of me again wants to say "they're just kids", but I am also old enough to remember what is a more relatively innocent time when the vast majority of kids wouldn't dick with other people by putting something unhealthy in the lemonade they're selling. Just for their own 'fun'. Granted, most kids still wouldn't, but in today's society I think some would.

    What say you?

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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    I don't see any reason for the govt. to go after little kids trying to run a lemonade stand. When I was a kid most of the people who bought the lemonade didn't even drink it! It was just a cute neighborhood thing kids did.
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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    This is just one more thing that really gets to me about the differences between 20-30 years ago and today. It's a lemonade stand! I am sure that "in the good old days" there were a few kids who spit or did something else to the lemonade, but why does anybody think they woulod be more likely to do it today?

    Then there is the BS information about "Stranger Danger", I never wore a bicycle helmet or a ski helmet (though these are probably a good idea).

    Maybe all the bad things kids do are now coming to light because there are more studies done to address psychological and sociological issues. I watched violent TV -- what was Batman? There are so many things that we could delve into with this. People complain about music, look at lullaby's "The cradle will rock, baby will fall..." that is kind of sick yeah? But we teach young kids to sing it when they are around babies. Up until I was 12 I was allowed to run around the yard in the sprinkler without a bikini top on. Today that would be abuse or some form of exploitation. That is what I wanted to do, so why not? I would still like to dance in the rain naked, but I would probably be arrested or sent to the loony bin (yes, I am a goddamn dirty hippie).

    I say let the kids have their lemonade stands, let them mow the lawn, let them shovel the snow and don't worry about them filing taxes, planting marijuana in your garden or spitting in your lemonade, even if they did you will probably live anyway.

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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal? Or, is this a prime example of bureaucrats and government going beyond their legitimate bounds?

    Every so often, almost like clockwork, there will be a news story about a kids lemonade stand being shut down because they don't have proper permits, health inspections, or whatever. A good example this the recent John Stossel report linked in this thread.

    Personally, I am torn. On the one hand... it's kids trying to make some money... and doing something both educational and constructive in the process. Especially when the business license/permit thing comes in. Give it a break and leave the kids alone. I'm a believer that the intent of the law is more important than the letter of the law (in most instances), and I don't see any harm being done here. Not to local businesses, not to anybody. The government and other strict law-and-order types will lose me every time if they try and argue this point.

    Where the other hand comes in is the health angle. Part of me again wants to say "they're just kids", but I am also old enough to remember what is a more relatively innocent time when the vast majority of kids wouldn't dick with other people by putting something unhealthy in the lemonade they're selling. Just for their own 'fun'. Granted, most kids still wouldn't, but in today's society I think some would.

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    An article I read recently, stated quite clearly and plainly.

    Because of society growing and becoming more complicated, it should be paramount that laws become simpler and less cumbersome in the nuances. Case and point; Assault. We all know that in our civilized society that if you attack someone regardless of cause; you are guilty of assault.

    Why is it that many cities, counties and states and possibly even the federal level there are numerous classifications and levels of assault? Why do we need special consideration if the individual was police officer, it doesn’t matter. On duty, off duty, in or out of uniform; it does not change the fact that the individual was assaulted. Period. Even if the person was from one group and attacked someone of a different group.

    What needs to happen is that the law for assault needs to be stated similar to this;
    A person guilty of assault may be imprisoned for up to 10 years and or fined up to $50,000. Then we use historical instances of prior assault cases to determine approximate punishment and the judge adjusts as necessary to the specific case at hand.

    The whole concept of Hate Crime; Three strikes, use of deadly weapon and other “special” circumstances should be proven in the court and used to determine the final sentence. Not 5 charges of different infractions that are all due to the same event.

    If laws are simple people will understand them better, and others can insure they are upheld. Instead of trying to put cameras on every corner and a cop in every public place, because let’s face it. It’s too expensive to hire police officers alone to enforce the law. They already have plenty to do.

    As for the lemonade thing, to much. Too anal, we need to cut these inspectors down in number if this is what they are freaking out about.
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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    I doubt that there are roving bands of police cars on the lookout for illegal lemonade stands. My guess is that neighbors are calling in complaints to cops. If the cops get a call, they are required to investigate, and, finding illegal activity, no matter how innocuous, have to shut it down.

    The problem is with the busy body neighbors that can't live and let live.
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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal? Or, is this a prime example of bureaucrats and government going beyond their legitimate bounds?

    Every so often, almost like clockwork, there will be a news story about a kids lemonade stand being shut down because they don't have proper permits, health inspections, or whatever. A good example this the recent John Stossel report linked in this thread.

    Personally, I am torn. On the one hand... it's kids trying to make some money... and doing something both educational and constructive in the process. Especially when the business license/permit thing comes in. Give it a break and leave the kids alone. I'm a believer that the intent of the law is more important than the letter of the law (in most instances), and I don't see any harm being done here. Not to local businesses, not to anybody. The government and other strict law-and-order types will lose me every time if they try and argue this point.

    Where the other hand comes in is the health angle. Part of me again wants to say "they're just kids", but I am also old enough to remember what is a more relatively innocent time when the vast majority of kids wouldn't dick with other people by putting something unhealthy in the lemonade they're selling. Just for their own 'fun'. Granted, most kids still wouldn't, but in today's society I think some would.

    What say you?
    There's a difference between a "kid's lemonade stand" and a food truck selling drinks. I don't think I have to explain, either. Hopefully, we all get that.

    Further, if anyone is naive enough to think that fully licensed restaurants, food trucks, catering services don't dick with customers' food sometimes, they need to watch some candid videos.

    Leave the kids alone!!!! It makes your town look stoopid!!!!
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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    I doubt that there are roving bands of police cars on the lookout for illegal lemonade stands.
    "Dispatch, this is unit Charlie 47, we have a confirmed 6-19, I repeat a confirmed 6-19. Be advised we are on location at 53 Maple Street, suspects are approximately 10 years old. Suspect 1 is blonde with pigtails. Suspect two is wearing a t-shirt that says "I love my momma". We will be dismantling the stand. Charlie 47 out."

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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    "Dispatch, this is unit Charlie 47, we have a confirmed 6-19, I repeat a confirmed 6-19. Be advised we are on location at 53 Maple Street, suspects are approximately 10 years old. Suspect 1 is blonde with pigtails. Suspect two is wearing a t-shirt that says "I love my momma". We will be dismantling the stand. Charlie 47 out."
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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    "Dispatch, this is unit Charlie 47, we have a confirmed 6-19, I repeat a confirmed 6-19. Be advised we are on location at 53 Maple Street, suspects are approximately 10 years old. Suspect 1 is blonde with pigtails. Suspect two is wearing a t-shirt that says "I love my momma". We will be dismantling the stand. Charlie 47 out."
    UPDATE FROM FOX NEWS: Two officers were put on administrative leave after their attempt to dismantle a child's lemonade stand resulted in two six-year-olds being tazed. Details at 11.
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