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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    From Helix post.: "i'm very happy that we tightly regulate the food service industry"

    Who regulates other than govt. (local/county/State/Feds)? Does the same potential of spreading pathogens exist when you prepare food at home? Could you not make a guest sick by improper preperation?
    Anytime you handle food there could be a threat. Common sense needs to prevail.
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    do i think cops should go around busting lemonade stands? no.
    Like I said, he didn't argue that the government should regulate lemonade stands so I don't how you could conclude that his "logic" means that the government should regulate his kitchen. He mentioned the food industry to support his argument that people's desire to regulate lemonade stands is rooted in legitimate concerns even if he doesn't think the government should "bust lemonade stands".

    In other words, common sense did prevail.
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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    That's Sedalia. You said:
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    To my surprise a few years ago the state made it mandatory to have a permit to have a garage sale.
    which I took to mean the State of Missouri. A lot of cities have garage sale permit requirements but we don't, which is why your comment concerned me.
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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i can think of several paths to transmission of pathogens via improper food handling in this particular case.

    the lemonade could be pressed and processed in a kitchen where meat is prepared and surfaces are improperly cleaned. also in most cases, we are talking about children who might not be fastidious about thorough handwashing.

    would E. Coli or Salmonella thrive and multiply well in low pH / high sucrose cooled liquid culture? no. however, many organisms would remain viable. i have worked with strains of 0113 and 0157:H7 that have extremely low infectious doses; in some cases, the infectious dose is one organism.

    also, norovirus (stomach "flu" / viral gastroenteritis) is efficiently transferred though food preparation by someone who is infected.

    do i think cops should go around busting lemonade stands? no. however, i'm very happy that we tightly regulate the food service industry. i responded to this thread to give a little perspective. lemonade stands aren't being targeted for no reason by mean authoritarians who want to ruin a childhood rite of passage. there are legitimate reasons behind an increased awareness and enforcement of food safety issues.
    First off I want to state that I am not a "fan" of Peta and what bothers me in this video is not necessarily what the chickens feel. What bothers me is the unsanitary conditions. What bothers me even more is that the government routinely looks the other way for big business while harassing small time produce and butchers who do grow and produce food in much better conditions. they sometimes even go after the kids lemonade stand. I do not eat mass produced food, because of this and the numerous other videos that are out there of so many of the major companies. People need to wake up to what the government is doing to the innocent small time producers and what they are allowing big business to get away with. So, for all those who have faith in our almighty government who is protecting us... better think again.



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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    That's Sedalia. You said: which I took to mean the State of Missouri. A lot of cities have garage sale permit requirements but we don't, which is why your comment concerned me.
    Sorry you are correct, I said state but it seems to be city governance.

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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by 00timh View Post
    First off I want to state that I am not a "fan" of Peta and what bothers me in this video is not necessarily what the chickens feel. What bothers me is the unsanitary conditions. What bothers me even more is that the government routinely looks the other way for big business while harassing small time produce and butchers who do grow and produce food in much better conditions. they sometimes even go after the kids lemonade stand. I do not eat mass produced food, because of this and the numerous other videos that are out there of so many of the major companies. People need to wake up to what the government is doing to the innocent small time producers and what they are allowing big business to get away with. So, for all those who have faith in our almighty government who is protecting us... better think again.


    I live in a area of the country were large poultry farms are prevalent. My parents formally owned a poultry farm and although we had hired workers and the farm was 40 miles from our residence, I know a thing or two about the business and it is imo a cruel way to force animals to live.

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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    I am not gonna disagree with you on the cruelty issue, but my personal issue is the utter lack of sanitary conditions which the major companies get away with for profit. And that the government looks the other way for them and then harasses the small time operations and things like lemonade stands.

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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by 00timh View Post
    I am not gonna disagree with you on the cruelty issue, but my personal issue is the utter lack of sanitary conditions which the major companies get away with for profit. And that the government looks the other way for them and then harasses the small time operations and things like lemonade stands.
    Industrial birds are so full of antibiotics you could throw them into a lab filled with bird flu and they'd never get sick. Not saying that's a good thing, just saying their living conditions don't mean squat with that in mind. I'm sure other stuff, feces and etc, are washed off during processing.
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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Industrial birds are so full of antibiotics you could throw them into a lab filled with bird flu and they'd never get sick. Not saying that's a good thing, just saying their living conditions don't mean squat with that in mind. I'm sure other stuff, feces and etc, are washed off during processing.
    Yeah, cause as we saw in the video they are really into meeting the fed standards... oh wait, all that stuff shouldn't be there in the 1st place... You really want to lay any money down on how safe all this food is?

    Just because people are not dropping dead after eating it doesn't mean that it is good or healthy for you. Perhaps how are mass produced meats are brought to us is a reason why this nation has become the most obese and sickest of the major industrial nations.

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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by 00timh View Post
    Yeah, cause as we saw in the video they are really into meeting the fed standards... oh wait, all that stuff shouldn't be there in the 1st place... You really want to lay any money down on how safe all this food is?

    Just because people are not dropping dead after eating it doesn't mean that it is good or healthy for you. Perhaps how are mass produced meats are brought to us is a reason why this nation has become the most obese and sickest of the major industrial nations.
    We lay our money down every day betting it'll be safe enough to eat. Whether it actually is or not is a different question. You were talking about the mess and possible diseases in the video. I personally don't think that's a problem and I explained why.

    I did, however, hint that all those antibiotics may not be such a good thing. Those drugs are present in virtually every animal we eat in America and milk, too, which includes it's other products like cheese and yogurt. This has been going on for decades and, yes, I personally think it's a risk. But I think antibacterial soap should be used extremely sparingly, too.


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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    I do understand that butchering anything ain't gonna be pretty. And with big companies, there will be mass raising for mass slaughter. That will really be hard to watch for the weak stomached people. What bothers me is the amount of standards that are busted on a daily basis. There are sooooo many videos out there of the major food producing companies that are busted, yet the government looks the other way. Yeah, maybe the antibiotics help, but no wonder people are always coming down with something.

    As for the antibiotic thing, I definitely agree with you. Its been known for a while now. Just because my kids ears would hurt a little, I wouldn't run them to the doc cause I know what they would have done. Even when I have a sore throat, unless it gets real bad, I am not gonna take antibiotics for it. Its gotta be raw and bloody for me to do that. There is definitely a time and use for them, but we have overused them so damn much and now it gets harder and harder to find ones that will work for bacterial infections.

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