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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    What say you?
    They should be legal and promoted. A little business experience at a young age never hurts. They get a bit of money, and we get some lemonade. However, a devious kid could spike the lemonade, but with what? Give an inch to the government and it'll take a foot; it should back off and let the kids be.

    The good outweighs the bad. Let them sell lemonade.

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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i can think of several paths to transmission of pathogens via improper food handling in this particular case.

    the lemonade could be pressed and processed in a kitchen where meat is prepared and surfaces are improperly cleaned. also in most cases, we are talking about children who might not be fastidious about thorough handwashing.

    would E. Coli or Salmonella thrive and multiply well in low pH / high sucrose cooled liquid culture? no. however, many organisms would remain viable. i have worked with strains of 0113 and 0157:H7 that have extremely low infectious doses; in some cases, the infectious dose is one organism.

    also, norovirus (stomach "flu" / viral gastroenteritis) is efficiently transferred though food preparation by someone who is infected.

    do i think cops should go around busting lemonade stands? no. however, i'm very happy that we tightly regulate the food service industry. i responded to this thread to give a little perspective. lemonade stands aren't being targeted for no reason by mean authoritarians who want to ruin a childhood rite of passage. there are legitimate reasons behind an increased awareness and enforcement of food safety issues.
    Comparing a kids stand to the "food industry" is a bit of a stretch. Using your logic, then the govt. should check how you prepare your own food in your house. Do you wear gloves, wash hands properly, sanitize your prep surface, etc.? Should you have a permit to have guests over for dinner? Yes there is germs/bacteria out there. But give a kid a break.

    Makes me wonder how I iived to my 60's since growing up we didn't have all this govt. protection/oversight.
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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Some scientists are beginning to believe we need a little more of that "stuff" to stay healthy.
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    I firmly believe that a big part of the rise in allergies in the last generation or so is because people "live too clean", and are too obsessive about avoiding any possible germ contact. Like anybody else I want to keep the salmonella out of my canned meats, and the rat excrement content of my tuna to a minimum. However, a lot of people got downright obsessive about it in the last few decades and their children were not exposed to a lot of germs and allergens growing up like earlier gens. I came up with this notion two decades ago, and I'm interested to see that some scientists have had the same idea.

    When my son was small I tried to keep a clean house, as much as a single working parent can do, but I also encouraged him to get dirty outside, play with puppies and kittens, eat blackberries off the bush, and so on...without necessarily washing everything in anti-b soap first. I also sneaked now and again and sprinkled a tiny pinch of dirt in his food, deliberately.... maybe no more than three or four times in his first five years. The idea was to expose him to stuff that he was going to encounter in the environment early.

    He's 16 today and has zero known allergies; healthy as a horse, rarely ill.

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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I firmly believe that a big part of the rise in allergies in the last generation or so is because people "live too clean", and are too obsessive about avoiding any possible germ contact. Like anybody else I want to keep the salmonella out of my canned meats, and the rat excrement content of my tuna to a minimum. However, a lot of people got downright obsessive about it in the last few decades and their children were not exposed to a lot of germs and allergens growing up like earlier gens. I came up with this notion two decades ago, and I'm interested to see that some scientists have had the same idea.

    When my son was small I tried to keep a clean house, as much as a single working parent can do, but I also encouraged him to get dirty outside, play with puppies and kittens, eat blackberries off the bush, and so on...without necessarily washing everything in anti-b soap first. I also sneaked now and again and sprinkled a tiny pinch of dirt in his food, deliberately.... maybe no more than three or four times in his first five years. The idea was to expose him to stuff that he was going to encounter in the environment early.

    He's 16 today and has zero known allergies; healthy as a horse, rarely ill.
    I am a firm believer in this point-of-view as well... though the dirt sprinkling seems a bit over-the-top.

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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    of course kids lemonade stands should be illegal.

    this country cannot afford for it's kids to become capitalists or entrepreneurs...

    hit 'em while they are young and hit 'em hard!... don't let these dangerous ideas get into kid's heads!

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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    If it's a kid's lemonade stand then it's crazy to shut it down unless someone complains. As long as the kids are not causing some major traffic problem then I don't see an issue.
    I'd be willing to bet that in the instance where something has happened, there is a complaint that they are either blocking a sidewalk or being too noisy or something.

    Now, in this case, calling the cops is still stupid. It's a chance for a kid to learn a life lesson and adults should help them in that. If they're blocking the sidewalk, explain to them why they need to move back a bit (in case someone in a wheelchair needs to get by or a mother with a baby stroller) or if they're being too loud tell them why they need to keep their volume down out of respect to neighbors.

    That said, I think that communities should have free permits that kids and parents should get together. If the kid grows up and wants to open a business, she's going to need a permit. Why not learn that lesson young as well? Even if you hate the thought of it, it is part of life.

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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You'll have to show me the link for that one! We have garage/yard sales every June in our subdivision. They last all weekend and some of our neighbors are LEO's. No one gets a permit of any kind and never has.
    Our local office for permits.

    Official Home of the City of Sedalia, Missouri - City Departments - City Clerk

    The City Clerk's office issues garage sale permits for all city residents interested in having a garage or yard sale. A residence within the city may have three (3) garage sales each year and is required to receive a permit for each sale.

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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Comparing a kids stand to the "food industry" is a bit of a stretch. Using your logic, then the govt. should check how you prepare your own food in your house. Do you wear gloves, wash hands properly, sanitize your prep surface, etc.? Should you have a permit to have guests over for dinner? Yes there is germs/bacteria out there. But give a kid a break.

    Makes me wonder how I iived to my 60's since growing up we didn't have all this govt. protection/oversight.
    He didn't say that the government should regulate lemonade stands so I don't know how you could argue that his "logic" would mean that the government should check how he prepares food in his house. His actual point was that there are several ways that kids could transmit pathogens in their preparation and that, as a consequence, it's not the mere desire to exert authority that has people talking about regulation - it's also concern based on legitimate potential problems.

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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by SypherAL View Post
    The day we start cracking down on little kids running lemonade stands, is the same day I buy a one way ticket to Canada.
    I don't believe you.

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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    He didn't say that the government should regulate lemonade stands so I don't know how you could argue that his "logic" would mean that the government should check how he prepares food in his house. His actual point was that there are several ways that kids could transmit pathogens in their preparation and that, as a consequence, it's not the mere desire to exert authority that has people talking about regulation - it's also concern based on legitimate potential problems.
    From Helix post.: "i'm very happy that we tightly regulate the food service industry"

    Who regulates other than govt. (local/county/State/Feds)? Does the same potential of spreading pathogens exist when you prepare food at home? Could you not make a guest sick by improper preperation?
    Anytime you handle food there could be a threat. Common sense needs to prevail.
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