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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal? Or, is this a prime example of bureaucrats and government going beyond their legitimate bounds?

    Every so often, almost like clockwork, there will be a news story about a kids lemonade stand being shut down because they don't have proper permits, health inspections, or whatever. A good example this the recent John Stossel report linked in this thread.

    Personally, I am torn. On the one hand... it's kids trying to make some money... and doing something both educational and constructive in the process. Especially when the business license/permit thing comes in. Give it a break and leave the kids alone. I'm a believer that the intent of the law is more important than the letter of the law (in most instances), and I don't see any harm being done here. Not to local businesses, not to anybody. The government and other strict law-and-order types will lose me every time if they try and argue this point.

    Where the other hand comes in is the health angle. Part of me again wants to say "they're just kids", but I am also old enough to remember what is a more relatively innocent time when the vast majority of kids wouldn't dick with other people by putting something unhealthy in the lemonade they're selling. Just for their own 'fun'. Granted, most kids still wouldn't, but in today's society I think some would.

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    No, they shouldn't be illegal. And when I buy lemonade from kids, I never drink it. I pretend to drink it and then throw it away when I'm out of sight. I don't do this because I think they'll put something harmful in it intentionally. I do this because kids are disgusting and I have no idea how much snot and residual feces made itself into my cup.

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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    If it's a kid's lemonade stand then it's crazy to shut it down unless someone complains. As long as the kids are not causing some major traffic problem then I don't see an issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    'Splain to me how paying $50 for a permit makes lemonade safer. I'll wait.
    It doesn't but I still agree with Thunder's overall assessment. HS kids need to get the permit - just because they're older and may as well learn a valuable lessen about doing business. In addition to that, he also said "on public property", which I took to mean a non-residential sidewalk. Someone needs to make sure they're at least thinking ahead with their plan, which is what a permit is supposed to be about (whether it is or not is another story).



    In a similar thread I brought up the subject of enforcement, which is the key to laws. All of us break laws almost daily but few even get a ticket. That comes from LEO's doing their job to "serve and protect". It's not just blind enforcement of the law, it's also judgement. LEO's see people breaking the law all the time. I know all of us think we're perfect drivers but the reality is, most of us that drive all the time break at least one traffic law a day. Many LEO's see this and ignore it unless it's creating a danger or there's a reason to establish blame, like in an accident. Some LEOs are inexperienced or they're small town and have something to prove, a few are just bullies and don't belong in some areas of law enforcement. These are the ones we hear about all the time. The others are well-trained and use professional judgement before deciding to say something, give a warning, or issue a ticket.

    - If two kids are selling lemonade in their front yard then most police won't do a thing (maybe buy some!) unless they're responding to a complaint.
    - If the same two kids are selling lemonade on a 2-lane where people are stopping in the lane to buy then maybe it's time to say something.
    - If the same two kids are selling on a 4-lane with a 45 MPH speed limit they should probably shut it down and call the parents.

    Keep in mind, without the law that says the stand is illegal they probably couldn't act on the last situation without using some other, most likely harsher, law. Professional judgement, that's what makes it all work.
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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    [...] And when I buy lemonade from kids, I never drink it. I pretend to drink it and then throw it away when I'm out of sight. I don't do this because I think they'll put something harmful in it intentionally. I do this because kids are disgusting and I have no idea how much snot and residual feces made itself into my cup.
    Chicken! The KIDS drink it - it can't be THAT bad for you! LOL!
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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    ...it seems, you thought wrong....

    There is nothing more dangerous to the liberties of our citizens than a politician with free time.

    .... there seems to be a lot of free time for them....

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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Chicken! The KIDS drink it - it can't be THAT bad for you! LOL!
    As someone who has worked extensively with foodborne pathogens in the lab, I will have to disagree with you there.

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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    You know, I'm forty six years old.... and I think in all my years I've seen exactly ONE children's lemonade stand. You couldn't prove by me that the classical lemonade stand is much more than just a suburban myth left over from pre-1960.

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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    If it's a kid's lemonade stand then it's crazy to shut it down unless someone complains. As long as the kids are not causing some major traffic problem then I don't see an issue.

    It doesn't but I still agree with Thunder's overall assessment. HS kids need to get the permit - just because they're older and may as well learn a valuable lessen about doing business. In addition to that, he also said "on public property", which I took to mean a non-residential sidewalk. Someone needs to make sure they're at least thinking ahead with their plan, which is what a permit is supposed to be about (whether it is or not is another story).



    In a similar thread I brought up the subject of enforcement, which is the key to laws. All of us break laws almost daily but few even get a ticket. That comes from LEO's doing their job to "serve and protect". It's not just blind enforcement of the law, it's also judgement. LEO's see people breaking the law all the time. I know all of us think we're perfect drivers but the reality is, most of us that drive all the time break at least one traffic law a day. Many LEO's see this and ignore it unless it's creating a danger or there's a reason to establish blame, like in an accident. Some LEOs are inexperienced or they're small town and have something to prove, a few are just bullies and don't belong in some areas of law enforcement. These are the ones we hear about all the time. The others are well-trained and use professional judgement before deciding to say something, give a warning, or issue a ticket.

    - If two kids are selling lemonade in their front yard then most police won't do a thing (maybe buy some!) unless they're responding to a complaint.
    - If the same two kids are selling lemonade on a 2-lane where people are stopping in the lane to buy then maybe it's time to say something.
    - If the same two kids are selling on a 4-lane with a 45 MPH speed limit they should probably shut it down and call the parents.

    Keep in mind, without the law that says the stand is illegal they probably couldn't act on the last situation without using some other, most likely harsher, law. Professional judgement, that's what makes it all work.


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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You know, I'm forty six years old.... and I think in all my years I've seen exactly ONE children's lemonade stand. You couldn't prove by me that the classical lemonade stand is much more than just a suburban myth left over from pre-1960.
    Drove past one in my neighborhood last week. In all of my years? Seen a dozen or so that I can recall. Not counting those I "ran" as a kid of course.

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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal? Or, is this a prime example of bureaucrats and government going beyond their legitimate bounds?



    Where the other hand comes in is the health angle. Part of me again wants to say "they're just kids", but I am also old enough to remember what is a more relatively innocent time when the vast majority of kids wouldn't dick with other people by putting something unhealthy in the lemonade they're selling. Just for their own 'fun'. Granted, most kids still wouldn't, but in today's society I think some would.

    What say you?
    When I ride my bike I see kids along the way with lemonade stands. They are merely whiling the time away and being friendly. I have no problem stopping for a minute and buying some lemonade. The policeman who is parked next to the kids comes out to talk for a few minutes and it is a nice moment in a great ride. A really great snapshot of how simple and pleasant things can be in a very complex society when those legislators are dealing with the real business of government and leaving the common folk alone.

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    Re: Should unapproved lemonade stands be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    As someone who has worked extensively with foodborne pathogens in the lab, I will have to disagree with you there.
    If it were meat I'd be a lot more worried. Something containing 5% citric acid in sugar water? Not so much.

    I appreciate your input, though. Having recently read The Wild Life Of Our Bodies and followed it's premise most of my life, I just have a different take on the whole issue. I also understand that most people, and especially people in your profession, still live by the code "the only good germ is a dead germ". I'm sure your life is filled with anti-bacterial agents and disinfectants and in your case it's probably justified. For most people I don't think it is.
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