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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I guess I'll bump this topic.

    Are there any new developments on this issue?
    Nope.

    There's still a small minority of people who actively have the desire and intent to specifically take rights/freedoms/ability away from women because they're women.

    There's still no "war" going on against them, nor is there any party as some kind of general rule or national level that is actively working against "women" as some kind of monolithic entity.

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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Nope.

    There's still a small minority of people who actively have the desire and intent to specifically take rights/freedoms/ability away from women because they're women.

    There's still no "war" going on against them, nor is there any party as some kind of general rule or national level that is actively working against "women" as some kind of monolithic entity.
    There is a wide effort by conservatives at the national and state level to roll back gains women won over the last 50 years, specifically on reproductive rights and equal pay.

    To say otherwise requires being blind to the legislative actions taking place.
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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    reproductive rights
    What, specfically, are ou talking about in terms of reproductive rights? If it's concerning abortoin...sorry, no dice. By and large, save for the extreme fringes, legislative actoin against abortion is not an attack on "women".

    equal pay.
    Again, specifics here? If its trying to remove favoritism under the law that was instilled at a time when the cultural and societal situations were significantly different then it's far from an open and shut instance of it being anti-woman to seek and remove such things. There are laws that were passed 50, 100, 150, etc years ago that no longer are needed today or actually potentially have a negative impact now compared to the positive impact they once had due to changes that occur over half a century of time.

    To say otherwise I do not believe is "blind" to legislative actions...I think it's refusing to say that what a singular side simply DEEMS a "woman's issue" due to their view point of it automatically and unquestionably makes it one regardless of the view point or intent on the side of those taking those actions that they dislike.

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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    This is how (Link HERE) women are treated in other countries. Our women get bitchy because they have to PAY for their birth control.

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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    What, specfically, are ou talking about in terms of reproductive rights? If it's concerning abortoin...sorry, no dice. By and large, save for the extreme fringes, legislative actoin against abortion is not an attack on "women".
    Now there is an interesting, unsubstantiated claim.

    Let me get this, removing, restricting, undercutting the ability of a women to control what happens to her body....a choice a woman has had since Roe, is not an attack on females rights specifically? How many men terminate their pregnancies?



    Again, specifics here? If its trying to remove favoritism under the law that was instilled at a time when the cultural and societal situations were significantly different then it's far from an open and shut instance of it being anti-woman to seek and remove such things. There are laws that were passed 50, 100, 150, etc years ago that no longer are needed today or actually potentially have a negative impact now compared to the positive impact they once had due to changes that occur over half a century of time.
    The repeal of Wisconsin's Equal Pay Enforcement Act, for one.

    To say otherwise I do not believe is "blind" to legislative actions...I think it's refusing to say that what a singular side simply DEEMS a "woman's issue" due to their view point of it automatically and unquestionably makes it one regardless of the view point or intent on the side of those taking those actions that they dislike.
    Right....limiting access to legally protected reproductive choice....or....repealing equal pay....are not specifically aimed at rolling back previously passed legislation focused on women's issues.
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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    I am very surprised by the results of this poll so far.....The war on women has been a left wing and a democratic talking point and it looks like judging by the result of the poll most of the lefties and democrats are not buying it...
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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    In 2008 90,000 women reported they were raped. Another 75,000 rapes were unreported. Yes, there's a war against women.

    Source: CBS News
    Exclusive: Rape in America: Justice Denied - CBS News

    Any rape is a horrific and terrible crime and the perpetrator should be charged and convicted but what about the case of a woman that goes out and gets drunk and wakes up in the bed of a stranger and hollers rape...I would be willing to bet there are a lot of false charges filed in that 90,000 to.
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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Now there is an interesting, unsubstantiated claim

    Let me get this, removing, restricting, undercutting the ability of a women to control what happens to her body....a choice a woman has had since Roe, is not an attack on females rights specifically? How many men terminate their pregnancies?
    Rather than reposting and taking up space saying the same thing in another thread, let me post what I just posted in the "Anti-Abortion = Anti-Women" thread that explains my position on it.

    Here

    Essentially, the same logic that goes into arguing that being against abortion means one is anti woman would work equally as well in saying that people in favor of legalized abortion are anti-child...namely, it requires one to take their own particular view, believe egotistically that it is the only unquestionable legitimate view anyone can potentially have, and thus judge the other sides motives and actions based not on what that side actually thinks or believes but rather on the view point you have and are wrongfully and erroniously placing upon them.

    The repeal of Wisconsin's Equal Pay Enforcement Act, for one.
    So a law being overturned in a single state that is not even directed towards women but every protected status group out there because of the belief that the legal ramifications of it put too much of a burden on businesses that are by and large innocent in the cases brought forth (or so they argue, I'm not going to take it as a given since I have no researched it) is a representation of a "wide effort" on both the state and national level. I thank you for providing one, but rather than "for one" , how about "for few" since this is supposedly wide and specifically at least a few "for ones" on a national level? Not to mention, again, while women are one of the groups protected it is not a law focused singularly upon "women".

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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    It's unfortunate when people start threads asking questions, but immediately make it clear that they are only interested in hearing one answer and that they will spend the rest of the thread deriding answers they disagree with.
    And you're only interested in repeating the same "answer" over and over again, like copy and paste.
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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Rather than reposting and taking up space saying the same thing in another thread, let me post what I just posted in the "Anti-Abortion = Anti-Women" thread that explains my position on it.

    Here

    Essentially, the same logic that goes into arguing that being against abortion means one is anti woman would work equally as well in saying that people in favor of legalized abortion are anti-child...namely, it requires one to take their own particular view, believe egotistically that it is the only unquestionable legitimate view anyone can potentially have, and thus judge the other sides motives and actions based not on what that side actually thinks or believes but rather on the view point you have and are wrongfully and erroniously placing upon them.
    It is a false argument because as you concede, a zygote is not a citizen it does not have rights until it reaches "viability". So any attempt to re-frame this argument as other than the woman's right to control her body is intellectually dishonest. The multiple attempts, both national and at the state levels, are aimed at restricting or outright eliminating woman's rights over her body.

    Again, you avoided directly answering this before:
    Removing, restricting, undercutting the ability of a women to control what happens to her body....a choice a woman has had since Roe, is not an attack on females rights specifically?




    Quote Originally Posted by Zyp
    So a law being overturned in a single state that is not even directed towards women but every protected status group out there because of the belief that the legal ramifications of it put too much of a burden on businesses that are by and large innocent in the cases brought forth (or so they argue, I'm not going to take it as a given since I have no researched it) is a representation of a "wide effort" on both the state and national level. I thank you for providing one, but rather than "for one" , how about "for few" since this is supposedly wide and specifically at least a few "for ones" on a national level? Not to mention, again, while women are one of the groups protected it is not a law focused singularly upon "women".
    It is obvious that you have not researched the Wisconsin law, SB 165, but for you I'll post the first paragraph:

    AN ACT to create 20.445 (1) (gr), 111.397, 814.75 (28) and 893.995 of the statutes;
    relating to: authorizing the circuit court to order a person who engages in
    discrimination in employment to pay compensatory and punitive damages and
    a surcharge, directing the secretary of workforce development to appoint a
    committee to study wage disparities between men and women and between
    minority group members and nonminority group members, and making an
    appropriation.
    But I don't even have to get into the details behind the legislation (that it is designed to eliminate the 23% pay differential between women and men in Wisconsin) to show that it was primarily a move to improve the status of women, all I have to do is to show the motivation of those who repealed it:

    Quote Originally Posted by Republican Wisconsin state senator Glenn Grothman
    You could argue that money is more important for men, I think a guy in their first job, maybe because they expect to be a breadwinner someday, may be a little more money-conscious.




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