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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    A number of posters have said that women are socially above men, and men deal with more sexism today than women. I have seen at least four male members post that while there isn't a war on women, there is war on women.


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    As I said before, the most troubling thing about this thread isn't the topic. It's the dismissive tone of the posters towards sexism and reverse sexism, and this says about us in terms of social and gender issues. I have seen a number of posters say men have it the worst, and white men have the worst, and now this... Sexism and being disrespected for something you can't help (gender, disability, race, etc.) does exist and it can be hurtful, and to some people experiencing it, it's very disparaging and humiliating.

    I have never made a joke nor made light of the bigotry, racism, discrimination, or sexism anybody else has ever encountered or had to deal with. Again the attitude running through this thread is the most troubling for me. Instead of dismissing the sexism of others, and crying that men have it worse then women, we should realize that every sexist attitude towards a woman has an equally sexist reaction for men.

    If women are told their are submissive, emotional, and better at parenting... then men are expected to provide, show no emotion, and always pay child support and never get custody of children in a divorce suit.

    Such facts should be common sense. Sexism shouldn't a part of our culture we decide to surrender ourselves to and accept with defeat. Sexism and disrespect towards any gender or person shouldn't be something we tolerate, shrug off, or dismiss.

    Did I ever say I am special for any reason at all? Seems like you have pitched a fit over nothing. Obviously you seem offended by me stating that sexism exists, and you admit that it does. Why is it so offensive for me to bring it up and mention it?

    FTR, I never said there was a war on women. If you go back and read my statements, you would see that I have said the very opposite. I don't agree with the slogan. It's divisive. It's not going to unite women. Women will think about the term war, and feel they are not undergoing war.
    This is an excellent post. I guess if you define war narrowly as in involving organized armies with weaponry, then, no, there's not a war. If you define it as extraordinary hostility and sexism that sometimes manifests itself in violent ways (like rape) against women, then you'd better believe there's a war. I don't think most men realize the hostility that women face -- that's in fact inevitable to face with the way things are now. If you're fat and unattractive, you face one kind of hostility. If you're fortunate enough to be able to make yourself attractive, you get some positive attention, but then you often face a different type of hostility.

    And just to be 100 percent fair, there definitely are women who are hateful toward men and those that use men. I've seen it and that stinks. I guess that's not too ridiculous for someone to see that as reverse sexism.

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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Just because there is sexism does not mean that everyone is pushing against us, our rights and our futures.

    A war - in this sense - would mean a massive, widespread effort to subjugate, subdue and push under by a large majority or an influential minority (the elite, etc)

    If there is any such 'war-like sentiment' it's not on a large scale: it comes in the form of groups, some religions, etc - smaller clusters. Which is why I selected 'yes and no' . . . and sometimes they try to push through measures via legislation, etc. But for the most part are unsuccessful.
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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Just because there is sexism does not mean that everyone is pushing against us, our rights and our futures.

    A war - in this sense - would mean a massive, widespread effort to subjugate, subdue and push under by a large majority or an influential minority (the elite, etc)

    If there is any such 'war-like sentiment' it's not on a large scale: it comes in the form of groups, some religions, etc - smaller clusters. Which is why I selected 'yes and no' . . . and sometimes they try to push through measures via legislation, etc. But for the most part are unsuccessful.
    So, using your words of "massive" and "widespread effort" you would concede that there is no "war on women" in this country.

    I agree.

    On a much smaller level, you suggest that a fringe element of society might be willing and conspiring to push women back into early 20th century roles?

    Which may be true, however the threat of those fringe groups being able to pass laws and change what's become societal norms is far from realistic.

    Would you agree with that?

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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    So, using your words of "massive" and "widespread effort" you would concede that there is no "war on women" in this country.

    I agree.

    On a much smaller level, you suggest that a fringe element of society might be willing and conspiring to push women back into early 20th century roles?

    Which may be true, however the threat of those fringe groups being able to pass laws and change what's become societal norms is far from realistic.

    Would you agree with that?
    Yep - that's my point. . . they can try: they can wage their own personal skirmish by refusing to work for a woman, hire a female (etc) or try to pass legislation and other measures that will conduct business how they want to - but in regard to anything that alters how government/society actually functions - no.
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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    "War on Women" seems to be the popular buzz phrase lately. Do you believe there is a war against women in this country right now?
    I think there has always been a war on women. That's why I'm quick to apologize to my wife, and I always endeavor to put her happiness first.

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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    "War on Women" seems to be the popular buzz phrase lately. Do you believe there is a war against women in this country right now?
    No.

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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Just because there is sexism does not mean that everyone is pushing against us, our rights and our futures.

    A war - in this sense - would mean a massive, widespread effort to subjugate, subdue and push under by a large majority or an influential minority (the elite, etc)

    If there is any such 'war-like sentiment' it's not on a large scale: it comes in the form of groups, some religions, etc - smaller clusters. Which is why I selected 'yes and no' . . . and sometimes they try to push through measures via legislation, etc. But for the most part are unsuccessful.
    More like an insurrection or an insurgency against woman perpertrated by certian segments of our population,rather than all out warfare.

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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    I think what happens is that as time goes by the reasons behind a movement are lost a bit with the pages of history - I think some (emphasis on the some - ok - no one go getting panties all atwist now) some women feel they're being attacked but don't quite know just how things really did change over the last two centuries for women in this country - some debates about abortion and birth control coverage by insurance on the Congressional floor are small beans compared to the struggle for women's sufferage and the right to legalize birth control.

    Women went to jail for defying the law in the name of diaphragms.

    Can't diminish the importance of past efforts by equating every little thing that might feel negative as an all out measured attack.

    It'll be a war when my right to vote, own property and patent my own inventions gets put on the chopping block.
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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    I guess I'll bump this topic.

    Are there any new developments on this issue?

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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I guess I'll bump this topic.

    Are there any new developments on this issue?
    No - I haven't had any life changing epiphanies about this issue since April 6, 2012.
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