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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Hello

    I'm referring to a 'war on women' here with these statements as an overall notable mentality in general, broad terms.

    This is not the 'should women be allowed in the military' thread and I'm not going to discuss just that one thing here. Believe it or not: military issues are not the only time in which men bring our natural condition up as a negative . . . so I kept my comment quite vague in respect to the broader issues in which it's tossed out as a concern.

    And my post here, by the way - was not a rant. A rant involves emotion. I was being quite emotionless as I am now.

    You need to pretend you don't see it: some men (as I stated) don't have favorable views of women doing 'man' things - that's how it is . . . . like I said: does that mean our entire nation in a broader sense is having 'a war on women' - no. It does not. I can still see things in a larger sense - and divide the 'some' from the 'many'

    You can go back to the military-women thread and debate yourself all you want. I see no point in continuing banter with you - I have my view, you have yours. . . . and I was not bringing *that* up here - I was being quite broad with my reference. . .and you took it personally.

    (edit: and on this note - whenever I bring up *something* - I strongly urge you to try not to take things personally or assume it's said about *you* directly. If I want to get personal with you I will do so quite bluntly. You do not need to read all of my statements and assume I'm discussing you, something you said, or something we debated, and get upset.)
    That is blatantly not true, but you know this.

    This thread "we have to speak in terms of a futeristic period and pregnancy free world before some guys start to entertain the notion that women should be able to do the same thing that men do. - Aunt Spiker

    My response to you in the other thread "In the future if we could overcome by technology whatever issues with pregnancy and a lack of hygiene for long periods in the field, with no lowering of the physical standards? - Blackdog

    This thread "it means that I'm well aware of the fact that some obvious men just don't like women - a flat out obnoxious truth. - Aunt Spiker

    Your reply directly to me in the other thread "'Realistically' my pink starfish. . .at what point in time - do you imagine - you'd ever be ok with it? LOL - never. Don't pretend your view is anything other than what it is: nothing grinds my nerves more than a sexist male who tries to lie and pretend he's not just being a sexist male. ****: at least some guys around here are ballsy enough to say "I just don't flat out like women" - damn. - Aunt Spiker

    So please, I am not stupid.

    PS you still avoiding my question...

    No we talk in terms of you need to be physically able to do a job before you can do it. Please point out one case, just one where standards were not lowered for women when that have been let in to roles that require physical strength/endurance?
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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Regardless of your efforts I refuse to skew this thread off it's subject and debate, here, with what was being debated elsewhere - that was not my intent with my comments. If this thread devolves into a personalized rant it will get flushed to the basement - and so far we've all behaved here pretty well and I'd like to not ruin it.

    However, while you're in this thread, do you want to comment on the broad, generalized subject of 'is there a war on women in the US' - in broad, generalized terms?

    I say 'no' - eventhough there are some people who are personally against us: I don't think they're influential enough or numerous enough to declare that there's a large effort against women in general or that the majority of people 'feel' that way.

    To satisfy you: I was thinking of other situations - like the political area (in which we're generalized ot be overly emotional because of our hormones via pms, etc). Or sports (we're just icky when we want to play football - or wrestle). . . and so forth.

    Are these views dominating and nationwide? No - they're not.
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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Regardless of your efforts I refuse to skew this thread off it's subject and debate, here, what was being debated elsewhere - that was not my intent with my comments.
    Fair enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    However, while you're in this thread, do you want to comment on the broad, generalized subject of 'is there a war on women in the US' - in broad, generalized terms?
    I already have: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1060313733

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I say 'no' - eventhough there are some people who are personally against us: I don't think they're influential enough or numerous enough to declare that there's a large effort against women in general or that the majority of people 'feel' that way.
    I don't think there is any war against women. As for the rest, that's on you. I know there are some, but you are obviously wrong about some of those, myself included.
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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Are there some men in the US that are obviously sexist and actively would like to see and work towards women in a lesser role in society?

    Sure thing.

    There's also women out there in the US that are obviously sexist and acitvely would like to see and work towards men's role in society becoming lessened as well, and who would like to see men be forced out of traditional roles and forced into non-traditional roles as well.

    I think both are such the minority in this country that attempting to interject it into the thread, especially just one side of it, is worthless unless one has an ulterior motive or point they're trying to present but in a way that makes it SEEM like they're not trying ot say it.

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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    This "War on..." mantra is tired and pathetic victimology.

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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Are there some men in the US that are obviously sexist and actively would like to see and work towards women in a lesser role in society?

    Sure thing.

    There's also women out there in the US that are obviously sexist and acitvely would like to see and work towards men's role in society becoming lessened as well, and who would like to see men be forced out of traditional roles and forced into non-traditional roles as well.

    I think both are such the minority in this country that attempting to interject it into the thread, especially just one side of it, is worthless unless one has an ulterior motive or point they're trying to present but in a way that makes it SEEM like they're not trying ot say it.
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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    There is a war against white men and in allowing illegal aliens more rights than US Citizens... but not a war against women.
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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    There is a very foolish attack by some politicians and talking heads, but far from all women are affected by these laws and proposed laws, so I don't know if i would frame it as "war on women." I agree that's just a distraction tactic for the most part, seeing as the incumbents have pretty much no accomplishment worth a damn to stand on. I think it will backfire badly however. Maybe if men couldn't take viagra that would balance it out somewhat?

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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    I think that this thread and many of the posters seem to be completely dismissing women and some barriers and personal struggles women currently face. Have I felt personally offended because I have experienced sexism? Yes, I have. Sexism isn't dead. If any woman here can say she hasn't experienced it, either in some extreme, physically violent form or some lesser form of derogatory or insult, then you're a lucky one.

    I have seen too many men not respect women.

    The blindness and dismissive tone in this thread is most aggravating thing to see.

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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    There is a war against white men and in allowing illegal aliens more rights than US Citizens... but not a war against women.
    I disagree that there is a war against any class of people in the US. The US has many basic rights for all people, but there is discrimination still. Modern discrimination, bigotry, and sexism is more of a social issue today than a legal or government issue. This thread illustrates the social division between people and their view of women in terms of women's issues. Some people have decided to be against other people and not for all people.

    The government has done it's job and washed it's hands of many sins. Now the people have to stop trying to cry the loudest over their own class, race, and gender.

    We should not dismiss all other races, genders, and classes to ask for equality or to be treated with dignity.

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