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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Or, we can respect the Constitution and respect freedom of religion and let non-profits remain as non-profits.
    There is nothing about non-profits in the constitutions or even taxation of churches. Want to try that again?
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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    There is nothing about non-profits in the constitutions or even taxation of churches. Want to try that again?
    I'm talking about freedom of religion in regards to the Constitution. We allow legally for non-profits, which churches and religious charities are. Freedom of religion not only means that the church cannot run the state, but also that the state has no business being in the church and legislating morality just like the church legally can't.
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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The churches and institutions can pick whatever healthcare packages they want for their employees. .

    Oh so the religious INSTITUTION can force their views on employees......Last I checked this nation was about individual rights not institutional rights.

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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I'm talking about freedom of religion in regards to the Constitution.
    What about it? You're free to practice your religion. The minute you cross into politics, that's no longer religion. So as I said, churches that play politics? Tax them like any other business. We'll see how long they play politics after that.
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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Oh so the religious INSTITUTION can force their views on employees......Last I checked this nation was about individual rights not institutional rights.
    People chose their employer. Religious institutions can fire people based on their beliefs. A church can fire pastor for converting to Islam or another staff member that commits adultery. Individuals don't have the right to use government to force their beliefs upon churches. Many will argue in regards to SSM that the government can't force a church/mosque/synagogue from preforming a gay marriage because that's against their doctrine. Much the same way they shouldn't be forced to cover birth control when it goes against the beliefs of the institution. An individual has the right to buy their own insurance or chose another employer that will give them the benefits they want.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What about it? You're free to practice your religion. The minute you cross into politics, that's no longer religion. So as I said, churches that play politics? Tax them like any other business. We'll see how long they play politics after that.
    Religious people and churches have every right to exercise their beliefs and uphold their convictions. Call it playing politics, but a church that has a religious stance on abortion, homosexuality, porn, birth control etc. is fully protected to do so and within their rights.
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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    "War on Women" seems to be the popular buzz phrase lately. Do you believe there is a war against women in this country right now?

    No. Although given our success in the War On Drugs and the War On Poverty, perhaps women should begin advocating for one.

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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    People chose their employer.
    LMAO That is just friggen hilarious

    Religious institutions can fire people based on their beliefs. A church can fire pastor for converting to Islam or another
    So basically what you are saying an employer can fire a guy hired as a mechanic that is really a house painter....I have no problem with that.

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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Religious people and churches have every right to exercise their beliefs and uphold their convictions.
    Who says they don't?

    Call it playing politics, but a church that has a religious stance on abortion, homosexuality, porn, birth control etc. is fully protected to do so and within their rights.
    Are you purposely ignoring statement question? Here I'll explain it to you. This is current law:

    26 USC 501 - Exemption from tax on corporations, certain trusts, etc. | LII / Legal Information Institute

    (3) Corporations, and any community chest, fund, or foundation, organized and operated exclusively for religious, charitable, scientific, testing for public safety, literary, or educational purposes, or to foster national or international amateur sports competition (but only if no part of its activities involve the provision of athletic facilities or equipment), or for the prevention of cruelty to children or animals, no part of the net earnings of which inures to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual, no substantial part of the activities of which is carrying on propaganda, or otherwise attempting, to influence legislation (except as otherwise provided in subsection (h)), and which does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office.
    Again, if you are a church, and you attempt to influence legislation, you should have your tax exempt status removed. Do you disagree? Digsbe, you can't have it both ways. Either you want a complete separation of state and church or you don't. I certainly do. I'm willing to have a government that takes ZERO part in church on-goings as long as that church doesn't attempt to use itself for political purposes. Do you? If no, then you can't complain about the government enforcing the same rules it enforces on everyone else.
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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    You are of course willing to make that same stipulation for every union, 501C3, and private citizen that becomes politically active...correct?

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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You are of course willing to make that same stipulation for every union, 501C3, and private citizen that becomes politically active...correct?
    I'd be down. Are you?
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