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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    I don't know if there's a war as much as there is neglect and ignorance regarding women's issues.

    There are still so many issues in the legal system when it comes to rape, domestic violence, equal employment...etc. American women may feel equal, but when it comes to court cases, it is really difficult to get justice. The enforcement of these equality laws in court and outside is difficult. Much of "equality" is rhetoric.
    There's still plenty of recorded violence against women.
    I still believe we need to define pregnancy in better terms. (Pregnancy as a disability?)
    The Glass ceiling.
    I could go on lol.

    There's a disconnect in defining what equality means for women. I believe in substantive equality. Women are differently situated than men in certain cases.

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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    At the same time we can argue that the legal system favors women and is unfair to men.

    All of that is very subjective and case-by-case. More so: state by state or region by region.
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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    No, but don't tell that to feminists, without something to be falsely outraged or terrified about their days would seem empty and unfulfilling.
    I guess this all depends on how you define "feminist."

    At both my parents'--but particularly my father's--encouragement, I have been a feminist most of my life. Somehow, I think how I define "feminist" and how others do differs.

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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I guess this all depends on how you define "feminist."

    At both my parents'--but particularly my father's--encouragement, I have been a feminist most of my life. Somehow, I think how I define "feminist" and how others do differs.
    I think this is a good discussion. What exactly does it mean to be a feminist?

    For me, being a feminist involves recognizing the fact that society treats men and women differently. Women do enjoy some advantages (like the legal system Auntie mentioned above), but on the whole males are privileged over females and we live in a patriarchal society. My feminism involves calling attention to these inequalities and injustices where they exist.

    This does not necessarily mean that I believe in "women's rights" - however they are defined. I am pretty split down the middle when it comes to the abortion issue. I support more access to contraceptives for everyone, but I don't believe that free or low-cost access to contraception is a "woman's right."
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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    There is an attack on the murder of innocent unborn children.
    You must be the guy who has all of the answers on how all of these unborn children would be appropriately cared for IF YOU COULD END all abortion at your will?

    Right?

    How many will you personally take care of?

    Or perhaps you can do some magic and control all of humanity's sexual behaviors, stop birth control failures...and the list goes on.

    For every action there is an equal but opposite reaction.

    So you the guy the world's been waiting for. Wow....what a privilege.

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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Interesting.

    Feminism to me means embracing your gender for what it is, finding strengths in it, and not using it as a reason or excuse to keep yourself - or others - down or to hold them back in life. You should not be defined by your gender in a negative sense in which you feel oppressed or confined as an individual. Thus: others should not do this to you as well (male or female).
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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I can agree with this and I think it's sensible. One of the main problems with the abortion debate is people want to view it in black and white. Some pro-life people want to view it from the lenses and perspective that abortion is murder done by the hands of evil women and taking that perspective. Some pro-choice people want to view the issue as evil anti-women pro-lifers wanting women to die in back alleys and are misogynists that hate women's rights. The black and white view doesn't really get anyone anywhere and an inability to look from another's perspective on both sides only hurts things in my opinion.
    Abortion is an emotional issue for many on both sides. There is no answer for right and wrong. Some will always view it through eyes which see only an unborn child. Others see abortion through a different lens as a protection for women who for whatever reason have gotten pregnant and do not want a child. This thread turned quickly into a debate on that one issue. It's really not all this topic should have covered.
    The word war encompasses so much. Women's issues have come under fire in recent weeks in health care. Politicians are attacking contraceptives. The abortion issue has come up again. Romney wants to destroy Planned Parenthood which is foolish. Only 3% of their operation is abortion. They provide so many services contraceptives, sexual education, STD's among other health issues. These services are vital.
    So yes women have been under attack. The controversy over coverage of contraceptives which are not just used for birth control is an attack on women. Over the past year there have been insurance companies moaning about mammography's and there need and how often. Now they want to do invasive procedures to women wanting an abortion an indignity that men never have to suffer.
    I believe that there is an attack on women and our rights by a still patriarchal society.
    I get angry when women lead the charge and agree with this assault on us.
    Women in the past fought long and hard to gain what we have and it is frustrating to see some wanting to give it back. I understand that men who do not deal with women's health issues don't see the need for so many services. It boggles my mind when I woman against organizations like Planned Parenthood who probably prevent ten times the abortions they preform. They prevent the spread of STD's. So many services that would be far more expensive and harder to come by are provided by organizations like this and single issue people look at only one aspect and would through the rest out.
    So these issues become emotional for me because I know and knew so many women that did fight for our rights. I know what they went through and why they did it.
    It's sad to see so many women that don't know or care. Many of the posters do know and are willing to stand up.
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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Interesting.

    Feminism to me means embracing your gender for what it is, finding strengths in it, and not using it as a reason or excuse to keep yourself - or others - down or to hold them back in life. You should not be defined by your gender in a negative sense in which you feel oppressed or confined as an individual. Thus: others should not do this to you as well (male or female).
    Feminism should be about the wonderful parts of being a woman and accepting who we are. I don't see it as an attempt to hold men back or take away what they have. We should be committed as people to make each others lives better and not hider each other. I do that best though accepting who I am and as you said using the strengths I have.
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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Interesting.

    Feminism to me means embracing your gender for what it is, finding strengths in it, and not using it as a reason or excuse to keep yourself - or others - down or to hold them back in life. You should not be defined by your gender in a negative sense in which you feel oppressed or confined as an individual. Thus: others should not do this to you as well (male or female).
    You can only embrace your sex fully when there isn't discrimination/oppression.

    For example:
    Women fall into the "pink ghetto" because they choose to parttime or smaller paying/less intensive jobs/careers in order to raise their children. Many women are primary child care givers. It's hard for women to embrace their ability and choice to bear/raise children when they often don't have access to employer-based healthcare because they work part-time or have those "pink ghetto" jobs. Private insurers have plans that sometimes don't cover pregnancy or enough of it.
    (Of course, the new healthcare act will solve that issue)
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    Re: Is there a "War on Women" in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Clandestine View Post
    You can only embrace your sex fully when there isn't discrimination/oppression.

    For example:
    Women fall into the "pink ghetto" because they choose to parttime or smaller paying/less intensive jobs/careers in order to raise their children. Many women are primary child care givers. It's hard for women to embrace their ability and choice to bear/raise children when they often don't have access to employer-based healthcare because they work part-time or have those "pink ghetto" jobs. Private insurers have plans that sometimes don't cover pregnancy or enough of it.
    (Of course, the new healthcare act will solve that issue)
    Hmm...this is a chicken or egg kind of question for me. I'm of the opinion that you are not fully equipped to fight discrimination or oppression until you fully embrace your gender.
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