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Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

  • Yes. Free expression of religion must always be respected.

    Votes: 3 11.5%

  • Yes, but only if its not harrassing, stalking, or legislation.

    Votes: 5 19.2%

  • No. Keep your religiously-based hatred to yourself.

    Votes: 10 38.5%

  • No. We should seek to end this completely.

    Votes: 8 30.8%
  • Total voters
    26
Thunder said:
the poll is about folks using religion to justify their racism.

I gave examples of things in religions that are racist.

don't like it? don't answer the poll.
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And I said beside a few nut cakes there are none.

why do you think hardly no one has answered your poll?
 
So for those who say we shouldn't tolerate it, what are we gonna do about it then? If we find someone spouting racist crap, do we go beat them up? Do we throw them in jail? Fine them? What sort of force are you looking to employ in order to not tolerate “racism”?
 
Ikari said:
So for those who say we shouldn't tolerate it, what are we gonna do about it then? If we find someone spouting racist crap, do we go beat them up? Do we throw them in jail? Fine them? What sort of force are you looking to employ in order to not tolerate “racism”?
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we shouldn't make exceptions for religiously-inspired harrassment, bullying, etc etc.

if its a crime or offense when its not motivated by religion, then the same goes if it is motivated by religion.

all im saying is, religion should not be used as an excuse to lessen the significance of a personal attack. and we shouldn't tolerate it either.

bigotry is bigotry, regardless of your reasons.
 
Thunder said:
we shouldn't make exceptions for religiously-inspired harrassment, bullying, etc etc.

if its a crime or offense when its not motivated by religion, then the same goes if it is motivated by religion.

all im saying is, religion should not be used as an excuse to lessen the significance of a personal attack. and we shouldn't tolerate it either.

bigotry is bigotry, regardless of your reasons.
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I think on some level people have gotten a bit too French on bullying and "harrassment" and many times think that they shouldn't have to hear the other side. We do already have laws which make a lot of things illegal (we have too many laws and I think it's likely near impossible to go about your day without violating some laws), but that doesn't mean that we should be adding to the pile (particularly when the pile needs to be cleaned up).

If you're talking about something like Westboro and that they shouldn't be allowed to show the world their stupidity; than I will disagree with any use of force against their right to assembly, protest, and speech on the grounds that it's somehow "harrassment". If some jerk says you're going to hell, that ain't bullying or harrassment. It's a jerk being a jerk.

I'm tired of playing to the lowest common denominator, it's really taking us down a bad path. Stupid people are stupid and there's no law against stupid. Sure you can point and laugh at their stupid asses; but that's probably the most response necessary. Other than that, ignore them.
 
Westboro doesn't do anything illegal, so no....we can't stop them.

but we can counter-protest their religion-inspired hatred & prejudice.
 
Thunder said:
Westboro doesn't do anything illegal, so no....we can't stop them.

but we can counter-protest their religion-inspired hatred & prejudice.
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Of course you can. And if you feel it's worth your time, then you should by all means do just that. I think they're a gaggle of morons and don't deserve the time of day.
 
Ikari said:
If you're talking about something like Westboro and that they shouldn't be allowed to show the world their stupidity; than I will disagree with any use of force against their right to assembly, protest, and speech on the grounds that it's somehow "harrassment". If some jerk says you're going to hell, that ain't bullying or harrassment. It's a jerk being a jerk.
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I would strongly disagree. These frauds are targeting funerals, which are private, and no place for silly, ridiculous 'protesting'. It's pretty much impossible to bury your relatives in your living room or in your back yard these days, for a number of legitimate reasons. Some leeway and discretion in 'freedoms' is acceptable, and just because some technicality invented by lawyers has allowed them to do so from public roads is all right with your particular political fever swamp doesn't mean all common sense should be tossed out the window, especially in cases like funerals.
 
Not one of those posts of mine accused you of bigotry......... Do you have a reading comprehension?
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Nor did anybody else's posts; he's just playing a bad game of 'I Touched You Last !!!! because he has no point worth discussing and, as the thread was going off in other direction, he wasn't the center of attention any more.
 
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Oberon said:
Nor did anybody else's posts; he's just playing a bad game of 'I Touched You Last !!!! because he has no point worth discussing and, as the thread was going off in other direction, he wasn't the center of attention any more.
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yeah, that's it. you got me.

;)
 
Thunder said:
yeah? show me one single post of mine that expresses bigotry or prejudice.
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Not going to spend a whole lot of time looking for many, many other examples that I know are out there, but here's one that came to the top of my head right away.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/off-t...-off-without-human-race-2.html#post1060154539

Thunder said:
according to what, your bull**** bigoted, misogynistic, homophobic, racist, genocidal fantasy book called the Bible?
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There are plenty of other instances where you've expressed similar bigotry against those who believe in certain religions. In fact, you've recently created two threads that have no apparent purpose other than to express your bigotry against Christianity in general, and Catholicism in particular.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/abort...rol-pill-anti-condom-folks-just-anti-sex.html
http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-a...y-christianity-abstinence-pedophilia-etc.html


You also have openly, repeatedly expressed a murderous level of bigotry against pre-born human beings.

You are a perfect example of an observation that I have often stated that those who most loudly proclaim their opposition to bigotry very often turn out to be the worst bigots of all.
 
Oberon said:
I would strongly disagree. These frauds are targeting funerals, which are private, and no place for silly, ridiculous 'protesting'. It's pretty much impossible to bury your relatives in your living room or in your back yard these days, for a number of legitimate reasons. Some leeway and discretion in 'freedoms' is acceptable, and just because some technicality invented by lawyers has allowed them to do so from public roads is all right with your particular political fever swamp doesn't mean all common sense should be tossed out the window, especially in cases like funerals.
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Common sense is nice, but who gets to define "common sense"? They cannot protest inside the funeral parlor, they must do so outside. Are they making a scene? Yes, of course they are. But they are on public land. If we want to talk common sense, then common sense would say that there are jerks and jerks will take advantage of freedoms and we just have to deal with that. You cannot just start allowing force to be used against group A because you think it right without someone looking at group B and saying “Hey…these guys are like group A!”. Because we endorse this overall philosophy of freedom means that we are going to get cases like this. Part and parcel with being free. There are responsibilities and consequences which come with the choice of being free; and to remain free we must uphold those, freely shoulder then, and take upon ourselves the duty of keeping our freedom.

Yes, there’s going to be jerks. You’re free to counter-protest if you like. But we’ll never rid the world of jerks, so on some level we have to put up with them.
 
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Ikari said:
So for those who say we shouldn't tolerate it, what are we gonna do about it then? If we find someone spouting racist crap, do we go beat them up? Do we throw them in jail? Fine them? What sort of force are you looking to employ in order to not tolerate “racism”?
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By not promoting their message as acceptable behavior. Personally I do not tolerate racism. But that does not mean that I beat every racist up that I meet. But in most cases they become aware that I did not tolerate their primitive bull.
As a society we can be intolerant of unwanted behavior without imposing laws.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
...There are plenty of other instances where you've expressed similar bigotry against those who believe in certain religions...
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you are a liar.

...In fact, you've recently created two threads that have no apparent purpose other than to express your bigotry against Christianity in general, and Catholicism in particular...
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expressing distaste for and dislike for Christianity & Catholocism, doesn't make one prejudiced or a bigot. unless you consider all those folks who are highly critical of Islamo-fascism & Islamism..to be bigots.

...You also have openly, repeatedly expressed a murderous level of bigotry against pre-born human beings....
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supporting abortion rights makes me a bigot against the unborn, and prejudiced against the unborn?? man Bob, your posts couldn't get any stupider. true idiocy, my friend. you truly take the cake with this one.

:lamo

...You are a perfect example of an observation that I have often stated that those who most loudly proclaim their opposition to bigotry very often turn out to be the worst bigots of all.
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your disgusting and hateful rants against gays, analogizing them to pedophiles & rapists, make you the biggest hypocrite of the forum.

Bob Blaylock said:
...Some of us are tempted toward sexual activity with children, with animals, with unwilling partners, with members of the same sex, and so on....
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I would never support a “gay pride” event, any more than I would support a “pedophilia pride” event or an “adultery pride” event, or a “bestiality pride” event or any other event based on taking “pride” in something that is sick and evil...
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your suggestion that women who are raped and abort their child are murderers, makes you a women-hater.

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As I said before, I think I would have a problem with remaining married to someone who I knew to be a murderer, especially one who would murder her own child...
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your claim that you cannot 100% say that you would never commit rape, is misogyny at its finest.

Bob Blaylock said:
I have never raped anyone, and it is extremely unlikely that I ever will.....
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your house is made of glass my friend..and it just collapsed upon you.
 
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Thunder said:
Westboro doesn't do anything illegal, so no....we can't stop them.
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All we need to “solve” that problem is more laws, right? You've made it clear that you do not agree with the Second Amendment, or the Fourth Amendment or the Fifth Amendment, and that you think it is just fine to enact and enforce laws that blatantly violate them. So why don't we just treat the First Amendment in the same manner as well?
 
Thunder said:
expressing distaste for and dislike for Christianity & Catholocism, doesn't make one prejudiced or a bigot.
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FreedomFromAll said:
As a society we can be intolerant of unwanted behavior without imposing laws.
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I suppose. To me, intolerant means that you do not tolerate something. If you do not tolerate something, you take action against its existence. I think it is fine to not accept racism and to speak out against it, but you can be unaccepting of something while being “tolerant” of it; meaning that you allow it to persist and don’t seek to use outside force (such as government force) to destroy it. In that light, I would say we need to tolerate racism. People are going to say stupid things and be stupid, but we can’t in general make a law against stupidity. So there will be people spouting off their ignorant propaganda, and whatever. I’m not looking to arrest or assault or otherwise employ government against them. I won’t listen to them because they are fools and I don’t need to listen to fools. But I wouldn’t stop them, not through government force (or assault, etc.). I will tolerate their existence even if I do not accept their message.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
I wouldn't know. I'm not the one who regularly “speaks with a forked tongue”.
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sure you do. you accuse me of bigotry, even though you're clearly a bigot. I've proved it.

plus, you posted the picture, not I. So its clearly not my picture.

;)
 
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