View Poll Results: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

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  • Yes. Free expression of religion must always be respected.

    8 18.60%
  • Yes, but only if its not harrassing, stalking, or legislation.

    6 13.95%
  • No. Keep your religiously-based hatred to yourself.

    19 44.19%
  • No. We should seek to end this completely.

    10 23.26%
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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder
    you have the right to not be harrassed.
    Depends on your definition of "harassed". If we're both out in public and I call you a greedy kike whose people are responsible for all wars (I don't think this, but suspend disbelief for a moment to make a point), you may call that harassment but you don't have a right to not be exposed to it. That's the definition of "public". It's the opposite of "private". Now if I was to come into your house and say that, it would be harassment and you would have a right to not be subjected to it.

    and I have the right to condemn, call-out, and expose religion-motivated bigotry & hatred.
    Yes you do. And others have the right to purport bigotry and hatred. Does that make them right? No. The problem is that too few people fail to realize that the freedom of speech doesn't just protect speech you agree with.

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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    and I have the right to condemn, call-out, and expose religion-motivated bigotry & hatred.
    And we have the same right to call out yours, 'Buddy'.

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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you have the right to not be harrassed.

    and I have the right to condemn, call-out, and expose religion-motivated bigotry & hatred.
    Do you have a specific target of your grievance?

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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    And we have the same right to call out yours, 'Buddy'.
    yeah? show me one single post of mine that expresses bigotry or prejudice.

    and no, we are not friends.

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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neal N. Bloeme View Post
    Do you have a specific target of your grievance?
    did you read the OP?

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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    To me, the issue isn't about someone just being a jerk. Somebody makes an offensive joke... that you have to let slide. That person has the right to say what they wish, even if it hurts your feelings. Where I see the real racial problems are on a much more macro level. We're constantly inundated with images on TV that paint a narrative that young black men are violent criminals. We're shown Mexicans as an unstoppable force of evil illegal immigrants who are destroying our country by picking oranges. It's still a common idea to associate homosexuality with being part of the opposite gender. When the discussion about welfare is centered on portraying out of work black people as lazy and parasitic, that's racism that shouldn't be tolerated. When the discussion about abortion is centered on portraying black women as recklessly getting pregnant and then callously aborting, that's racism and shouldn't be tolerated.

    Despite similar rates of criminal activity, black neighborhoods are vastly more targeted by police action. Gays can't marry their partners. Arizona passed a law allowing police to harass anyone they wish and demand their identification in violation of the fourth amendment based on how a person looks. You think those cops are going to stop and bother many white people? And let's not forget all of the harassment and profiling that Middle Eastern Americans and Muslim establishments have had to endure since 9/11, despite the fact that the majority of terrorist actions in this country have been committed by white American citizens.

    It is not the jerk who cracks an offensive joke that is the problem. It is the underlying "us vs them" mentality that exists with race, religion, gender, and sexuality in this country. It is the racist culture that needs to not be tolerated. When a lawmaker proposes a rule that will disproportionately affect one race, we should question its motivations. When our narrative makes generalizations about a race, we should respond with ire and criticism. When we try to blame a problem on some group of people and scapegoat them, we should reject that. And no, the source of that bigotry doesn't matter. It is wrong no matter where it comes from.
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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you have the right to not be harrassed.

    and I have the right to condemn, call-out, and expose religion-motivated bigotry & hatred.
    But someone spouting their religious non-sense isn't always "harassment". And as you say, you have the right to speak out against their stuff too. That’s not harassment either. But it’s no different than what they are doing either. So long as the rights of the individual are not actually being infringed upon, people should be allowed to do as they like.
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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    did you read the OP?
    I saw two links to a couple of fringe cultic beliefs explained by Wikipedia which can be edited by anyone. Other than that, I am trying to find out what your grievance is.

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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    No, we should not tolerate racist views under any circumstances. I'm really sick and tired of people thinking that idiotic, primitive beliefs should be okay just because they're based on delusion. There ought to be no acceptable form of racism, period.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    no vote
    I should think of religion being a "good" thing....evidently, in many cases, it is not.
    And people/sheeple who use religion as an excuse for their hatred and fear.....this stretches our tolerance to the breaking point.....once broken, we are no better ....

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