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Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

  • Yes. Free expression of religion must always be respected.

    Votes: 3 11.5%
  • Yes, but only if its not harrassing, stalking, or legislation.

    Votes: 5 19.2%
  • No. Keep your religiously-based hatred to yourself.

    Votes: 10 38.5%
  • No. We should seek to end this completely.

    Votes: 8 30.8%

  • Total voters
    26
...They're big on 'raising racial awareness' and periodically launching 'campaigns', spamming sites like this one and most others, and many of them also run what they call 'False Flag operations', pretending to be an 'anti-Israeli Jew' is a big favorite, as well as pretending to be a 'Libertarian'. I don't doubt that at least a few of them post here under one of those memes.

Posters like Thunder and sharon as well as many of the self-described 'Libertarians' always raise red flags for me on these boards.


what are you trying to say?????????????????

are you accusing me of lying about being a Jew?

that's pretty ****ing pathetic of you. try a more legitimate line of argument.
 
I stand by my statement..........In the year 2012 with maybe the exception being radical Islams there are no major religions that believe in Racism unless they are the Revs Jackson, Sharpton and Wright. or the Rev Farrakhan.

Indeed. Obama, after attending Wright's 'church' for over 20 years, claims he never heard anything Wright said or read any of the literature available out in the lobby on his way in or out. Yeah, that's believable ...

Obama also supports infanticide, and his 'defenses' of it in his Illinois Legislature days pretty much explains why he won't release his Law School grades as well.
 
what are you trying to say?????????????????

are you accusing me of lying about being a Jew?

that's pretty ****ing pathetic of you. try a more legitimate line of argument.

It's not an 'argument', it's an observation based on long and personal experience with innernetz fever swamps. I didn't 'accuse' you of anything, you can pretend to be anything you want on the innernetz, and I'll post my opinions and whatever any way I see fit, thank you.
 
And, quit spamming my PM box with your insipid sniveling. I'm not interested.
 
It's not an 'argument', it's an observation based on long and personal experience with innernetz fever swamps. I didn't 'accuse' you of anything, you can pretend to be anything you want on the innernetz, and I'll post my opinions and whatever any way I see fit, thank you.

don't accuse me of faking being a Jew again.

its uncivil, unprovoked, and has NOTHING to do with this thread.

And, quit spamming my PM box with your insipid sniveling. I'm not interested.

I have done no such thing.
 
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I would have to to have accused you of being a 'fake Jew' a first time in order to do it again, troll. Meanwhile, claiming your troll threads actually have a 'serious topic' is just ridiculous.
 
I would have to to have accused you of being a 'fake Jew' a first time in order to do it again, troll. Meanwhile, claiming your troll threads actually have a 'serious topic' is just ridiculous.

so not only are you accusing me of faking my Jewishness and spamming your Inbox, but now I'm a troll?

wow, you're on a roll there buddy.
 
Everyone can and will tolerate a lot of things, OP points included. Nobody has a right to not be offended.
 
Everyone can and will tolerate a lot of things, OP points included. Nobody has a right to not be offended.

Aint that the truth. So many people offended these days. Selective outrage.
 
Everyone can and will tolerate a lot of things, OP points included. Nobody has a right to not be offended.

you have the right to not be harrassed.

and I have the right to condemn, call-out, and expose religion-motivated bigotry & hatred.
 
Thunder said:
you have the right to not be harrassed.

Depends on your definition of "harassed". If we're both out in public and I call you a greedy kike whose people are responsible for all wars (I don't think this, but suspend disbelief for a moment to make a point), you may call that harassment but you don't have a right to not be exposed to it. That's the definition of "public". It's the opposite of "private". Now if I was to come into your house and say that, it would be harassment and you would have a right to not be subjected to it.

and I have the right to condemn, call-out, and expose religion-motivated bigotry & hatred.

Yes you do. And others have the right to purport bigotry and hatred. Does that make them right? No. The problem is that too few people fail to realize that the freedom of speech doesn't just protect speech you agree with.
 
and I have the right to condemn, call-out, and expose religion-motivated bigotry & hatred.

And we have the same right to call out yours, 'Buddy'.
 
you have the right to not be harrassed.

and I have the right to condemn, call-out, and expose religion-motivated bigotry & hatred.

Do you have a specific target of your grievance?
 
To me, the issue isn't about someone just being a jerk. Somebody makes an offensive joke... that you have to let slide. That person has the right to say what they wish, even if it hurts your feelings. Where I see the real racial problems are on a much more macro level. We're constantly inundated with images on TV that paint a narrative that young black men are violent criminals. We're shown Mexicans as an unstoppable force of evil illegal immigrants who are destroying our country by picking oranges. It's still a common idea to associate homosexuality with being part of the opposite gender. When the discussion about welfare is centered on portraying out of work black people as lazy and parasitic, that's racism that shouldn't be tolerated. When the discussion about abortion is centered on portraying black women as recklessly getting pregnant and then callously aborting, that's racism and shouldn't be tolerated.

Despite similar rates of criminal activity, black neighborhoods are vastly more targeted by police action. Gays can't marry their partners. Arizona passed a law allowing police to harass anyone they wish and demand their identification in violation of the fourth amendment based on how a person looks. You think those cops are going to stop and bother many white people? And let's not forget all of the harassment and profiling that Middle Eastern Americans and Muslim establishments have had to endure since 9/11, despite the fact that the majority of terrorist actions in this country have been committed by white American citizens.

It is not the jerk who cracks an offensive joke that is the problem. It is the underlying "us vs them" mentality that exists with race, religion, gender, and sexuality in this country. It is the racist culture that needs to not be tolerated. When a lawmaker proposes a rule that will disproportionately affect one race, we should question its motivations. When our narrative makes generalizations about a race, we should respond with ire and criticism. When we try to blame a problem on some group of people and scapegoat them, we should reject that. And no, the source of that bigotry doesn't matter. It is wrong no matter where it comes from.
 
you have the right to not be harrassed.

and I have the right to condemn, call-out, and expose religion-motivated bigotry & hatred.

But someone spouting their religious non-sense isn't always "harassment". And as you say, you have the right to speak out against their stuff too. That’s not harassment either. But it’s no different than what they are doing either. So long as the rights of the individual are not actually being infringed upon, people should be allowed to do as they like.
 
did you read the OP?

I saw two links to a couple of fringe cultic beliefs explained by Wikipedia which can be edited by anyone. Other than that, I am trying to find out what your grievance is.
 
No, we should not tolerate racist views under any circumstances. I'm really sick and tired of people thinking that idiotic, primitive beliefs should be okay just because they're based on delusion. There ought to be no acceptable form of racism, period.
 
no vote
I should think of religion being a "good" thing....evidently, in many cases, it is not.
And people/sheeple who use religion as an excuse for their hatred and fear.....this stretches our tolerance to the breaking point.....once broken, we are no better ....
 
Should we tolerate religious views that are racist. I don't think there is any reason to tolerate racism.

There are no religious racist views that I am aware of, which are believed to be legitimate today. I'm not sure if there really ever were. Religious communities tend to accept others based on sameness of religious and doctrinal belief, and not based on skin color. Thought and belief cannot be legislated out of existence. The only means of not tolerating racism is in legislating actions which result from those thoughts and beliefs. Thus racism is not something one can deem illegal- only acts which are based on racism can fit that criteria.
 
I saw two links to a couple of fringe cultic beliefs explained by Wikipedia which can be edited by anyone. Other than that, I am trying to find out what your grievance is.

my point is this: if some folks believe that religious-motivated bigotry against gays can/should be tolerate, why not religious-motivated racism?
 
"Free Speech"
Such a misunderstood thing.
It can never be completely free, it must be limited.
Hatred, intolerance, racism, homophobia, bigotry must be out of the equation..
 
my point is this: if some folks believe that religious-motivated bigotry against gays can/should be tolerate, why not religious-motivated racism?

Okay, now I see where you're coming from. It's a homo thing. Never mind.
 
By some traditions, the punishment/mark of Cain....was black skin.

Curse and mark of Cain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And again, some believe that the descendants of Ham, who was punished by God, became modern-day blacks.

Curse of Ham - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, since racism against blacks can sometimes be considered to be motivated by religion, should we be expected to have more tolerance for such beliefs...as a way of respecting religion?

some argue that since homophobia is sometimes motivated/excused by religion, homophobia should be tolerated as religious-expression. I want to know how far we should tolerate bigotry, as a form of religious expression.

When a sick mind writes his version of history and then, thousands of years later people accept this trash as gospel.....I can see all kinds of problems....
But, are we, of the 21st century any better ??
 
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