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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    By some traditions, the punishment/mark of Cain....was black skin.

    Curse and mark of Cain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And again, some believe that the descendants of Ham, who was punished by God, became modern-day blacks.

    Curse of Ham - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    So, since racism against blacks can sometimes be considered to be motivated by religion, should we be expected to have more tolerance for such beliefs...as a way of respecting religion?

    some argue that since homophobia is sometimes motivated/excused by religion, homophobia should be tolerated as religious-expression. I want to know how far we should tolerate bigotry, as a form of religious expression.
    The answer is absolutely yes, so long as the racism is expressed in speech as opposed to violence. Free speech is just that and racists like anyone else can petition the government for changes, as despicable as they may be.

    This is also the best way to fight these kind of world views, some churches once preached racism but what ended that was a change in culture not in laws banning its practice. People eventually realized on their own that it was wrong and they will do the same for homosexuality. When people with strong opinions are pushed they tend to tighten up and push back, we don't want to fight them we want to ignore and dismiss them while still allowing them to say what they want.

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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    I don't think there is any reason to tolerate racism.
    I don't like thought control.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    I personally don't know of any religion that practices racism in this country unless it is radical Islam....Maybe someone could enlighten me. I know the Catholic Church I attend welcomes all races.
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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I personally don't know of any religion that practices racism in this country unless it is radical Islam....Maybe someone could enlighten me. I know the Catholic Church I attend welcomes all races.
    Christian Identity: A Religion for White Racists

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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    I basically "tolerate" all racism

    its how its applied that I have an issue with.

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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Thanks, not sure they represent any real Christian religion though. I don't think any would claim them as well as that Nut and his family that protest at all those military funerals.... I think every religion in this country has condemned them. They are fanatics.
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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Thanks, not sure they represent any real Christian religion though. I don't think any would claim them
    They aren't, they're just a neo-nazi front that has 'revised' the origins of Jews to suit antisemitism, claiming white people are the true Jews of the Old Testament and not modern Jews. They're pretty much idiots. If you're up for some entertainment I can find the forum where Martin Lindstedt hangs out; he's a big deal in that 'movement', that is if they haven't had yet another of their frequent rounds of infighting and falling outs calling each other Feds, informants, traitors, etc. over 'leading the Movement'. Hey, they're nazis, so what do you expect? ..

    'Pastor' Lindstedt is actually pretty polite to strangers and is more than willing to explain it all to you, complete with sources and links.

    as well as that Nut and his family that protest at all those military funerals.... I think every religion in this country has condemned them. They are fanatics.
    If you're referring to that Fred Phelps group they aren't Christians, either, they're just atheists conducting a guerrilla theater type thing. Most outsiders who have interviewed them or hung around them say they never even talk about religion at all, much less Christianity, and given Phelp's history that's very likely true. I think Thunder would be happy in both groups.

    Ah .. here it is. You may have to register and log in to see his forum, unless they've banned him again, but they'll know where to find him. he has, shall we say, a unique writing style with the English language as well ... lol

    http://stumbleinn.net/forum/index.php

    See this Google search for Lindstedt as well. He was locked up in the loony bin for a while.

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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    lol it seems Pastor Marty is still being intermittently excommunicated ....
    Dual Seedline Christian Identity Pastor Martin Lindstedt takes a licking, but keeps on ticking. Despite the takedown of six of his websites, including his Talkshoe portal, instigated by members of the Christian Identity Forum, Lindstedt has found a way to continue producing episodes of The Movement Turd.

    In episode #59, Lindstedt discusses, among other things, his reaction to the takedown of his Talkshoe portal. Since this development is being reported as current events, this post fully complies with the Terms of Service of Blogger. Two parts of episode #59 are embedded below:





    Lindstedt provides some written commentary HERE. The best way to protest censorship is to openly challenge it. What I think about Lindstedt's content is irrelevant to the situation. When all is said and done, Martin Lindstedt is still pro-White.



    Background: For those who are unfamiliar with the situation between the Christian Identity Forum and Martin Lindstedt, here's a short synopsis, as best as I remember it. The feud between the DSCI hobbyist who posts on Christian Identity Forum under the nickname Sword Brethren and DSCI Pastor Martin Lindstedt has been going on for nearly four months now. Initially triggered by Lindstedt posting a photoshopped picture of Sword Brethren, it's escalated until Sword Brethren triggered a series of ambiguous and questionable ToS complaints, citing unsubstantiated death threats, to various hosts leading to the takedown of six of Lindstedt's websites, most recently his Talkshoe channel. Had this strictly remained a one-on-one situation between Sword Brethren and Martin Lindstedt, I would have taken only passing notice of it.

    But it did not remain one-on-one. Sword Brethren decided to escalate the campaign and expand it against several third-party websites which merely allowed Lindstedt to post, most notably The Beer Barrel, Stumble Inn, and Nimbusters. All three permit pro-White activists to post with minimal reservation, thus they are White-friendly sites. This implies that Sword Brethren is misusing the ToS complaint system to censor other websites which publish information critical of him and dictate their content. In other words, Sword Brethren is using the ToS complaint system as a weapon of political warfare against Lindstedt in much the same fashion as Alaska ethics crusader Andree McLeod used the ethics complaint system as a weapon of political warfare against Sarah Palin when Palin was still governor. Sword Brethren seems to believe that even though his real name is already a matter of public record, no one else has a right to publish it in a post.

    White Reference: DSCI Pastor Martin Lindstedt Discusses The Takedown Of His Talkshoe Site On Episode #59 Of The Movement Turd

    You just can't make this up. It's hilarious.

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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    They aren't, they're just a neo-nazi front that has 'revised' the origins of Jews to suit antisemitism, claiming white people are the true Jews of the Old Testament and not modern Jews. They're pretty much idiots. If you're up for some entertainment I can find the forum where Martin Lindstedt hangs out; he's a big deal in that 'movement', that is if they haven't had yet another of their frequent rounds of infighting and falling outs calling each other Feds, informants, traitors, etc. over 'leading the Movement'. Hey, they're nazis, so what do you expect? ..

    'Pastor' Lindstedt is actually pretty polite to strangers and is more than willing to explain it all to you, complete with sources and links.




    If you're referring to that Fred Phelps group they aren't Christians, either, they're just atheists conducting a guerrilla theater type thing. Most outsiders who have interviewed them or hung around them say they never even talk about religion at all, much less Christianity, and given Phelp's history that's very likely true. I think Thunder would be happy in both groups.

    Ah .. here it is. You may have to register and log in to see his forum, unless they've banned him again, but they'll know where to find him. he has, shall we say, a unique writing style with the English language as well ... lol

    Stumble Inn - Powered by vBulletin

    See this Google search for Lindstedt as well. He was locked up in the loony bin for a while.

    Mad Marty
    Wow,interesting forum, I may have to spend some time there, it's like driving by a car wreck, you don't want too but you somehow just have to look. thanks, I think. LOL

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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Wow,interesting forum, I may have to spend some time there, it's like driving by a car wreck, you don't want too but you somehow just have to look. thanks, I think. LOL
    Indeed. And, Lindstedt's forum is still at the Stumble Inn, but you do have to register and log in to see it. It's certainly more entertaining than the usual run of the mill neo-nazi stuff; you should read his stuff at least once. He is fairly personable to 'polite' strangers, if you can avoid baiting him. Ask him about the 'dual seedline' thing and the Scythians. lol ...
    Last edited by Oberon; 03-16-12 at 12:14 AM.

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