View Poll Results: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

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  • Yes. Free expression of religion must always be respected.

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  • Yes, but only if its not harrassing, stalking, or legislation.

    6 13.95%
  • No. Keep your religiously-based hatred to yourself.

    19 44.19%
  • No. We should seek to end this completely.

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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yeah? show me one single post of mine that expresses bigotry or prejudice.
    Not going to spend a whole lot of time looking for many, many other examples that I know are out there, but here's one that came to the top of my head right away.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/off-to...post1060154539

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    according to what, your bull**** bigoted, misogynistic, homophobic, racist, genocidal fantasy book called the Bible?
    There are plenty of other instances where you've expressed similar bigotry against those who believe in certain religions. In fact, you've recently created two threads that have no apparent purpose other than to express your bigotry against Christianity in general, and Catholicism in particular.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/aborti...-anti-sex.html
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-an...hilia-etc.html


    You also have openly, repeatedly expressed a murderous level of bigotry against pre-born human beings.

    You are a perfect example of an observation that I have often stated that those who most loudly proclaim their opposition to bigotry very often turn out to be the worst bigots of all.
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I would strongly disagree. These frauds are targeting funerals, which are private, and no place for silly, ridiculous 'protesting'. It's pretty much impossible to bury your relatives in your living room or in your back yard these days, for a number of legitimate reasons. Some leeway and discretion in 'freedoms' is acceptable, and just because some technicality invented by lawyers has allowed them to do so from public roads is all right with your particular political fever swamp doesn't mean all common sense should be tossed out the window, especially in cases like funerals.
    Common sense is nice, but who gets to define "common sense"? They cannot protest inside the funeral parlor, they must do so outside. Are they making a scene? Yes, of course they are. But they are on public land. If we want to talk common sense, then common sense would say that there are jerks and jerks will take advantage of freedoms and we just have to deal with that. You cannot just start allowing force to be used against group A because you think it right without someone looking at group B and saying “Hey…these guys are like group A!”. Because we endorse this overall philosophy of freedom means that we are going to get cases like this. Part and parcel with being free. There are responsibilities and consequences which come with the choice of being free; and to remain free we must uphold those, freely shoulder then, and take upon ourselves the duty of keeping our freedom.

    Yes, there’s going to be jerks. You’re free to counter-protest if you like. But we’ll never rid the world of jerks, so on some level we have to put up with them.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neal N. Bloeme View Post
    I saw two links to a couple of fringe cultic beliefs explained by Wikipedia which can be edited by anyone. Other than that, I am trying to find out what your [Thunder's] grievance is.
    Psychological projection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    My wife just informed me that according to current weather forecasts, there's a chance of thunderstorms tomorrow.
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    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So for those who say we shouldn't tolerate it, what are we gonna do about it then? If we find someone spouting racist crap, do we go beat them up? Do we throw them in jail? Fine them? What sort of force are you looking to employ in order to not tolerate “racism”?
    By not promoting their message as acceptable behavior. Personally I do not tolerate racism. But that does not mean that I beat every racist up that I meet. But in most cases they become aware that I did not tolerate their primitive bull.
    As a society we can be intolerant of unwanted behavior without imposing laws.

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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    ...There are plenty of other instances where you've expressed similar bigotry against those who believe in certain religions...
    you are a liar.

    ...In fact, you've recently created two threads that have no apparent purpose other than to express your bigotry against Christianity in general, and Catholicism in particular...
    expressing distaste for and dislike for Christianity & Catholocism, doesn't make one prejudiced or a bigot. unless you consider all those folks who are highly critical of Islamo-fascism & Islamism..to be bigots.

    ...You also have openly, repeatedly expressed a murderous level of bigotry against pre-born human beings....
    supporting abortion rights makes me a bigot against the unborn, and prejudiced against the unborn?? man Bob, your posts couldn't get any stupider. true idiocy, my friend. you truly take the cake with this one.



    ...You are a perfect example of an observation that I have often stated that those who most loudly proclaim their opposition to bigotry very often turn out to be the worst bigots of all.
    your disgusting and hateful rants against gays, analogizing them to pedophiles & rapists, make you the biggest hypocrite of the forum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    ...Some of us are tempted toward sexual activity with children, with animals, with unwilling partners, with members of the same sex, and so on....
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    I would never support a “gay pride” event, any more than I would support a “pedophilia pride” event or an “adultery pride” event, or a “bestiality pride” event or any other event based on taking “pride” in something that is sick and evil...
    your suggestion that women who are raped and abort their child are murderers, makes you a women-hater.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    As I said before, I think I would have a problem with remaining married to someone who I knew to be a murderer, especially one who would murder her own child...
    your claim that you cannot 100% say that you would never commit rape, is misogyny at its finest.

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    I have never raped anyone, and it is extremely unlikely that I ever will.....
    your house is made of glass my friend..and it just collapsed upon you.
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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    im sorry that you are unable to understand my very clear & intelligible posts.
    Since when have you ever written any post that could fairly be described as “very clear & intelligible”? Could you post a link to any such post of yours?
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Westboro doesn't do anything illegal, so no....we can't stop them.
    All we need to “solve” that problem is more laws, right? You've made it clear that you do not agree with the Second Amendment, or the Fourth Amendment or the Fifth Amendment, and that you think it is just fine to enact and enforce laws that blatantly violate them. So why don't we just treat the First Amendment in the same manner as well?
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    expressing distaste for and dislike for Christianity & Catholocism, doesn't make one prejudiced or a bigot.
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    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

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    holy ****, does that hurt?
    Last edited by Thunder; 03-16-12 at 04:58 PM.

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    Re: Should we tolerate racist views that are based on religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    As a society we can be intolerant of unwanted behavior without imposing laws.
    I suppose. To me, intolerant means that you do not tolerate something. If you do not tolerate something, you take action against its existence. I think it is fine to not accept racism and to speak out against it, but you can be unaccepting of something while being “tolerant” of it; meaning that you allow it to persist and don’t seek to use outside force (such as government force) to destroy it. In that light, I would say we need to tolerate racism. People are going to say stupid things and be stupid, but we can’t in general make a law against stupidity. So there will be people spouting off their ignorant propaganda, and whatever. I’m not looking to arrest or assault or otherwise employ government against them. I won’t listen to them because they are fools and I don’t need to listen to fools. But I wouldn’t stop them, not through government force (or assault, etc.). I will tolerate their existence even if I do not accept their message.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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