View Poll Results: Should Senators be elected by State's law, again?

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Thread: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

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    Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Should Clause I of the XVII (17th) amendment be revoked?
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    Should Senators be elected as determined by the states and not by popular election as demanded by the federal government?

    -Background-
    Originally it was determined to help states protect their power and to help insure that State matters were properly represented in Congress. Senators would be appointed in a way as prescribed by the State Legislature.

    On May 12, 1912; It was approved by congress to support direct popular election of senate representation.

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    I believe that it has hurt the rights of States as an entity to not have fair and equitable representation in the federal legislative process. It has also encouraged many functions to be moved from state level to federal level.

    Thoughts?

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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Should Clause I of the XVII (17th) amendment be revoked?
    -Or-
    Should Senators be elected as determined by the states and not by popular election as demanded by the federal government?

    -Background-
    Originally it was determined to help states protect their power and to help insure that State matters were properly represented in Congress. Senators would be appointed in a way as prescribed by the State Legislature.

    On May 12, 1912; It was approved by congress to support direct popular election of senate representation.

    -Opinion-
    I believe that it has hurt the rights of States as an entity to not have fair and equitable representation in the federal legislative process. It has also encouraged many functions to be moved from state level to federal level.

    Thoughts?
    I voted for Other.

    Senators are already chosen by a state. They are chosen by the people of a state. Which is how it should be and how it should remain.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I voted for Other.

    Senators are already chosen by a state. They are chosen by the people of a state. Which is how it should be and how it should remain.
    Well if you wanted it to remain, that would have been "No" don't change it. If you had said "Yes" the appointment of senators would be done by the laws which that state has.

    Also, the reasons I ask this is that. People of the state may not represent the interests of the "State" but themselves.

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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Well if you wanted it to remain, that would have been "No" don't change it. If you had said "Yes" the appointment of senators would be done by the laws which that state has.

    Also, the reasons I ask this is that. People of the state may not represent the interests of the "State" but themselves.
    One could argue the People are the State, therefore when they vote for their interests, they vote in the interests of the state in which they reside because once again they ARE that state.

    Sams statement is dead on.

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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I voted for Other.

    Senators are already chosen by a state. They are chosen by the people of a state. Which is how it should be and how it should remain.
    I disagree. It was a solution for a non-existent problem. The people are supposed to be represented by the house of reps, the states by the senate and the executive represents both. The senate is now far more influenced by big special interests. Its also why you see so much money outside a state coming in on senate races

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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    One could argue the People are the State, therefore when they vote for their interests, they vote in the interests of the state in which they reside because once again they ARE that state.

    Sams statement is dead on.
    I liken this to Shareholders and a Corporation. What is good or in the interest in the Shareholder is not always in the best interest of the Company. Case and point.

    Residents of a state may want "more" whatever it is. = Shareholders want higher dividends,(more direct benefit to themselves)
    The State may wish to expand trade & commerce routes, improve schools, build a new port. = Business wants to improve overall ability to generate revenue.

    Now by this example we can see how say building a port will help a relatively small number of people, will slightly improve revenue overall. But not be in the interest of the People of the state as a whole.

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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Also, the reasons I ask this is that. People of the state may not represent the interests of the "State" but themselves.
    It's an interesting question. One could also argue that appointments by the state means Senators represent the particular political apparatus that appointed them, and not the state overall.

    I do think the option of going back to appointment has some merit, though... just not enough to convince me.

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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Well if you wanted it to remain, that would have been "No" don't change it. If you had said "Yes" the appointment of senators would be done by the laws which that state has.

    Also, the reasons I ask this is that. People of the state may not represent the interests of the "State" but themselves.
    Are you seriously saying that the people of the state are unable to represent the state that they make up?
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I disagree. It was a solution for a non-existent problem. The people are supposed to be represented by the house of reps, the states by the senate and the executive represents both. The senate is now far more influenced by big special interests. Its also why you see so much money outside a state coming in on senate races
    I understand that corruption is a problem now in regards to senate elections.

    But going back to appointments won't get rid of the corruption either. Rather, it will just change who the money for that corruption goes to - whoever makes those appointments.

    And if we are going to have a system that is corrupt I would rather have a system that gives the people the best chance than one that doesn't.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Are you seriously saying that the people of the state are unable to represent the state that they make up?
    In a way, YES. The needs of the State will coincide with the needs of the people most of the time. However, there are times when it does not. I don't assume to know how voters will decide one issue from the next. If we knew that we wouldn't need politicians or elections. What I am merely stating is that I believe that the change from the original system has caused greater systemic harm over time.


    *ALSO FOR EVERYONE* it's as prescribed by law of the state, some still do popular elections, some do appointments. This merely returns power to the state to decide. Also it means influence has to be spread over 50 states not just in washington, which makes corruption a little harder.
    Last edited by John; 03-14-12 at 09:49 PM.

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