View Poll Results: Should Senators be elected by State's law, again?

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  • No! The people are the states, the state “has” a voice already.

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Thread: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Strictly speaking from a limited democracy point of view, I like the idea of having a filter between the voter, and the selection of our Senators. That's just because I don't trust voters to do a very good job at picking their representatives.

    Of course, with all the issues with campaign contributions, and the influence of money, having State Legislators choose Senators would just make the lobbyists' jobs easier, so that is a negative. Thing's would be so much easier with strict public finance laws for campaigns, but that's off topic.
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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Well, just to summarize at this point it’s effectively 70% for the election of senators by the state’s laws. (I.E. Repeal Clause 1 of the XVII Amendment)
    And for sustainment of the amendment it’s 30%. (due to the fact that the one “Other” vote stated his view)

    Can we get more people to weigh in?

    -If this were congress we would nearly have our 3/4's for sending it to the states for ratification.

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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Another part of the right wing plan to repeal any political advancement made in the 20th Century. Ah the good old days of the Gilded Age.
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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Direct appointment of senators was a mistake with far-reaching consequences. The 16th and 17th need to go the way of the 18th...

    All were equally misguided. It is sad that only the latter was repealed.

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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Direct appointment of senators was a mistake with far-reaching consequences. The 16th and 17th need to go the way of the 18th...

    All were equally misguided. It is sad that only the latter was repealed.
    I couldn't agree with you more on the the 16th as well. VIVA LE FAIR TAX!

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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Another part of the right wing plan to repeal any political advancement made in the 20th Century. Ah the good old days of the Gilded Age.
    Is this political advancement the same kind that wants to place Union Representation on private companies Board of Directors without the purchase of stock or voting of stockholders?

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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Is this political advancement the same kind that wants to place Union Representation on private companies Board of Directors without the purchase of stock or voting of stockholders?
    huh!?!?!?!? What in the world are you talking about? What does that have to do with the right wing cause celebre to repeal the 20th century?
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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    *ALSO FOR EVERYONE* it's as prescribed by law of the state, some still do popular elections, some do appointments. This merely returns power to the state to decide. Also it means influence has to be spread over 50 states not just in washington, which makes corruption a little harder.
    But that's not true. The Senate itself, in 1866, dictated exactly how State elections for Senators were to be accomplished and it doesn't allow a popular vote even if the State were to decide to do that. Without the 17th Amendment, State legislatures - and they alone - will elect the State's Senator. There are even more details but that's the bottom line.


    http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/..._5_1866law.pdf

    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Well, just to summarize at this point it’s effectively 70% for the election of senators by the state’s laws. (I.E. Repeal Clause 1 of the XVII Amendment)
    But it's NOT by State's laws, you have misrepresented the outcome of a repeal of the 17th Amendment. States would NOT have the option to stick with the popular vote.

    And there's also the issue that, if the Senate can change the way State's appoint/elect Senators once then they can do it again! Who knows what BS they might decide next year or next decade???


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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Should Clause I of the XVII (17th) amendment be revoked?
    -Or-
    Should Senators be elected as determined by the states and not by popular election as demanded by the federal government?

    -Background-
    Originally it was determined to help states protect their power and to help insure that State matters were properly represented in Congress. Senators would be appointed in a way as prescribed by the State Legislature.

    On May 12, 1912; It was approved by congress to support direct popular election of senate representation.

    -Opinion-
    I believe that it has hurt the rights of States as an entity to not have fair and equitable representation in the federal legislative process. It has also encouraged many functions to be moved from state level to federal level.

    Thoughts?
    The Senate is an anachronism that needs to be done away with entirely. Creating it was a just a compromise to Federalists, who wanted to establish an aristocratic ruling class patterned on the British nobility, comprised of themselves, of course.
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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    The Senate is an anachronism that needs to be done away with entirely. Creating it was a just a compromise to Federalists, who wanted to establish an aristocratic ruling class patterned on the British nobility, comprised of themselves, of course.
    I disagree. I'm all in favor of having a bicameral legislature. However, I would reform it.

    What I would want is to change it so that the House of Representatives is no longer based on single-member districts. Instead, each state would be granted their usual number of seats. Then these seats would be divided up for proportional representation via election. That way, each Representative represents the members of their party in their state.

    Senators would be elected via a two-round system in which those who get the top 2 pluralities go to the second round election.

    That's how I would like to reform congressional elections.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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