View Poll Results: Should Senators be elected by State's law, again?

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  • No! The people are the states, the state “has” a voice already.

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Thread: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    In a way, YES. The needs of the State will coincide with the needs of the people most of the time. However, there are times when it does not
    There are other ways that is done, such as having a representative democracy rather than a direct democracy. And because our government is based on the consent of the governed it means that the governed should give consent to whoever governs them. And that consent is provided by elections.

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    I don't assume to know how voters will decide one issue from the next. If we knew that we wouldn't need politicians or elections. What I am merely stating is that I believe that the change from the original system has caused greater systemic harm over time.
    In the previous system, Senators went unappointed because partisan legislators in the state governments would filibuster the process until they gained power in the state legislature - and the response usually was that the other party would then filibuster the process for them.

    This meant that states were going unrepresented in the Senate.

    At least by using popular election seats get filled, and the people of the state are represented in the Senate.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I understand that corruption is a problem now in regards to senate elections.

    But going back to appointments won't get rid of the corruption either. Rather, it will just change who the money for that corruption goes to - whoever makes those appointments.

    And if we are going to have a system that is corrupt I would rather have a system that gives the people the best chance than one that doesn't.
    many of the post bill of rights amendments tend to be hasty responses to short term crisis. SOme made sense=such as allowing women the vote or allowing those old enough to be drafted to a poorly run war to be able to vote. Other things were disasters, prohibition, the income tax and others were to create a solution to a problem that already had a solution (such as limiting presidents to two terms)

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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    many of the post bill of rights amendments tend to be hasty responses to short term crisis. SOme made sense=such as allowing women the vote or allowing those old enough to be drafted to a poorly run war to be able to vote. Other things were disasters, prohibition, the income tax and others were to create a solution to a problem that already had a solution (such as limiting presidents to two terms)
    With all due respect, that's a matter of opinion as to which amendments were hasty and which have been detrimental to this country and which have not.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    I just don't see the point in switching it to the way it was before the 17th Amendment, it really seems pretty redundant.

    People elect the State Legislature that would elect the senators...

    Therefore which person the State Senator/Representative would vote for becomes an election issue anyway.

    On top of that you have the problem where if the State legislature becomes gridlocked the people of that State could go without representation in the Senate.

    And as Radcen pointed out the Senator choices has the potential to become a partisan **** show, lets say the Democrats or Republicans had a bad year at the State level... it would lead to a senate possibly dominated by either party when that wasn't the peoples wish at the federal level...

    Just some of the problems I see.

    Again, I reiterate my point that there is no State without the people, Therefore if there are people sent from the State to represent them at the federal level, they simply MUST be elected by the people.

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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I just don't see the point in switching it to the way it was before the 17th Amendment, it really seems pretty redundant.

    People elect the State Legislature that would elect the senators...

    Therefore which person the State Senator/Representative would vote for becomes an election issue anyway.
    This. Just like we talk about Supreme Court Justices when we vote for a President, selection of Senators would just become an issue in elections for state legislatures and Governors.

    Governors aren't exactly anymore immune to corruption than a Senator. See Rod Blagojevich. He tried to "sell" a Senate seat. Putting it in the hands of the Governors would mean it happens all the time.


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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    With all due respect, that's a matter of opinion as to which amendments were hasty and which have been detrimental to this country and which have not.
    but of course

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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    This. Just like we talk about Supreme Court Justices when we vote for a President, selection of Senators would just become an issue in elections for state legislatures and Governors.

    Governors aren't exactly anymore immune to corruption than a Senator. See Rod Blagojevich. He tried to "sell" a Senate seat. Putting it in the hands of the Governors would mean it happens all the time.
    Actually, it was the corruption of wealthy businessmen paying off state legislators for votes for senate appointments that led to the adoption of the 17th.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I disagree. It was a solution for a non-existent problem. The people are supposed to be represented by the house of reps, the states by the senate and the executive represents both. The senate is now far more influenced by big special interests. Its also why you see so much money outside a state coming in on senate races
    Why would that change if the governors or the state legislatures picked the US senators, rather than the people of the state? The outside money would just buy them off instead.
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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Senators should be elected by popular election. So should the president for that matter. States are just groups of people. Let those people decide who will represent them on the national stage. They don't need other people they've chosen to represent them within the state to decide for them by proxy.
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    Re: Should Senators be chosen by State's wishes or continue with Popular election?

    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post

    Thoughts?
    I picked "No! The people are the states, the state “has” a voice already".The people are the state.Letting local state elected officials elect Senators only makes those senators answerable to them and not the people. Elected officials should only be answerable to the people.
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