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    26 50.98%
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    Re: What are you, politically?

    I don't believe we're destined to always end in death and violence, but I do recognize it is a possibility. Humans are by nature competitive and there will always be some folks who are willing to use violence to further their aims. We can put our heads in the sand and ignore that fact or we can take precautions to make us a less desirable target to predators. This is true on a person to person level and on a state to state level.

    To use an analogy, the military is like car insurance. I hope I never need it, but I still have it because if I don't have it when I do need it, I'm totally screwed. Again, you can be against militarism or interventionism or imperialism. I understand those positions, but to say we shouldn't have a military at all is just a formula for disaster.
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    Re: What are you, politically?

    When people start out believing military is necessary there is no chance for anyone to change.
    Given some 10,000 years of written history, it's immediately obvious a military is not only necessary but vital, and not being reticent to use it is also a necessary component of national leadership.

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    Re: What are you, politically?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Given some 10,000 years of written history, it's immediately obvious a military is not only necessary but vital, and not being reticent to use it is also a necessary component of national leadership.
    I'll agree that a strong military is both necessary and vital. But "using it"? Our military is being used on a daily basis for peaceful purposes. If you're talking about reticence in initiating military force, well let's just say that I think we have the opposite problem the past decade or so.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: What are you, politically?

    I can't vote in the poll as I don't think that things can be split up into just liberal or conservative. For example, I am a fan of social welfare programs, a supposed "liberal" position, but I also want a strong national defense and am a strong supporter of the right to bear arms, a supposed "conservative" position.
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    Re: What are you, politically?

    I'll agree that a strong military is both necessary and vital. But "using it"? Our military is being used on a daily basis for peaceful purposes. If you're talking about reticence in initiating military force, well let's just say that I think we have the opposite problem the past decade or so.
    Some of the current tactics used in the last decade or so are certainly not well thought out, but I happen to think taking Saddam out was necessary, and I also think going into Afghanistan was, and is, necessary.

    What I disagree with re past and current uses of the military is to treat them like this is some sort of Peace Corp camp-out and doing the ludicrous 'nation building' nonsense that's all the rage now. It's obvious neither the people in Iraq, Afghanistan, and many other Islamic countries are capable of modernity and giving up their clan feuds an their medieval political cult. All that 'nation building' nonsense is a waste of time and effort.

    The current problem in Afghanistan is created mostly in Pakistan, and the failure and timidity involved in not dealing with that is dooming the entire operation to defeat. I can criticize plenty of decisions as well as anybody.

    What I don't have is access to the same intelligence and political information the President and his advisers have, and in many cases that has to be secret, so naturally, it's all just opinion. Neither you or anybody else outside the loop has any real idea what the true situation is, so it's just an exercise in sophistry and gossip at this point.

    And, by the way, the U.S. has been 'involved' in Afghanistan for a long, long time; Franklin Roosevelt and the New Dealers financed and built the first modern paved highway there in 1934, for instance.
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    Re: What are you, politically?

    Fiscal conservative and social moderate.
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    Re: What are you, politically?

    Socially I'm progressive. I want to see equality for all and want to see economic fairness from unfair buisness practices. I also want to see this country move foward in science, technology, and space as much as possible so we can be the leader in innovation once more.

    But as a progressive I also wish to make progress without interfering with the constitution. Where Republicans have taken away certain right s with the Patriot Act and liberals seek to abolish the second ammendment, I say we must protect all of our rights from extremist Liberals and conservatives which is why i label myself under none of these parties these days.

    Which brings me to the Judicial side of things. I'm very much a libertarian when it comes to the judicial aspect of government. I believe there is way too much government and laws controlling this land. Each passing year congress creates thousands of new laws that restricts are freedoms. The Patriot Act is huge but thousands of little laws are also passed. I think we need to go in the opposite direction and have less laws.

    Fiscally I'm moderate. I think we need to stop spending trillions on wars across the globe and start spending it on things here at home. At the same time we don't need to get rid of social security which secures peoples lives and this country. Simply sometimes hard choices are made and honestly we need to raise taxes on every person in america to get out of financial ruin just like it was done in the 90's and we came out with surplus for several years.
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    Re: What are you, politically?

    Not sure what I am. Guess I'm a mutt.

    Social Liberal:

    —Pro-prostitution. [I don't support it, and I think it's demeaning, but people have the right to do what they want with their bodies. Also, if legalized, it'll undoubtedly be safer for them.]

    —Neutral on gay marriage. [Neither support nor oppose it. Used to oppose it, but didn't have much supporting data to fight the flood of well-thought-out arguments. America is no theocracy, and we all must have the freedom to either save or damn our souls. Plus, freedom is precious.]

    Social Conservative:

    —Views homosexuality as a sin. [Just my opinion from a Traditionally Christian pov. Hate the sin, not the sinner.]

    Fiscal Liberal:

    —Pro Alternative/Green energy. [Naturally, I think we should all be stewards of the earth God gave us. Take care of His creations, cute down on pollution, create a TON of solar panels/etc, and put more money into research for alternative energy.]

    —Aware of climate change/global warming. [Whether it's true or not that the climate is changing from human activity, it should be a given to care for the earth and its bounty. I guess you can call me a liberal on all things eco-friendly, though I don't think only liberals should champion the cause. Also, I DON'T like it when some who are communistically-minded try to use the platform of going green, etc.]

    Fiscal Conservative:

    —Cut government spending on things that aren't necessary. [To be clear I don't know all of the economical issues republicans and democrats fight over. It should be a given to cut what's truly unecessary, imho.]

    Other:

    —Taxes. [I don't have enough knowledge to come to a comfortable stance. I don't like high taxes, nor do I like low taxes; either way someone benefits, and someone struggles. Fairs taxes sound great, but how do we get there?]

    —Abortion. [I'm been ambivalent on it. Life is very important, but banning abortion would probably have dire consequences. Not sure what to do.]

    —War. [I don't like uneccasry wars and dying. I hate how soldiers fight and die for truly unimportant whims of our leaders. If a war isn't necessary, it shouldn't be fought. The crux: define "necessary."]

    —Race. [I think discrimination is wrong and we true equality. Affirmative Action is racist in a way, meaning that it prefers some races over others. That's not equal. Two wrongs don't make a right. I long for the day when all races are treated absolutely equally across the board.]

    Side note: There's probably more than a few things I've forgotten.

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