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    Re: What are you, politically?

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    Like most libertarians, I could generally be described as socially liberal and fiscally conservative, but there are variances on both axis. Socially, I am pro life. I don't think there is a right to gay marriage, but if the people want to redefine marriage through their legislators that's fine. Personally, I'd probably prefer a civil union compromise, but either way its not a huge issue to me. Fiscally I'm OK with government investment in infrastructure, education, and advanced research which has lead to some dogmatic libertarians to call me a statist.

    I personally try to mix principle with pragmatism. Too much of either can lead to bad results in my book.
    I just mentioned last night that we need to work on the infrastructure, education , transportation and research... interesting. I have not seen anyone else mention infrastructure on this forum yet, maybe I am just not looking in thr right places (I tend to debate social issues) but I have only been on this forum for a month or so.

    An interesting item about the infrastructure, Obama wants to use it to create work. But the problem is that it will create work, not jobs (long-term). What do you think?

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    Re: What are you, politically?

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    But the problem is that it will create work, not jobs (long-term). What do you think?
    Although this probably wasn't aimed at me, temporary jobs are the key to long term growth.
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    Re: What are you, politically?

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    I just mentioned last night that we need to work on the infrastructure, education , transportation and research... interesting. I have not seen anyone else mention infrastructure on this forum yet, maybe I am just not looking in thr right places (I tend to debate social issues) but I have only been on this forum for a month or so.

    An interesting item about the infrastructure, Obama wants to use it to create work. But the problem is that it will create work, not jobs (long-term). What do you think?
    I think infrastructure is one of the best places to invest when the economy is down. It is true it does only create short term jobs, but unlike a lot of make work programs or outright hand outs (like unemployment extensions) it leaves something of value behind while also injecting money into the economy in the short term.

    I saw a great special that was made a few years ago called the Crumbling of America or something and it details how most of our infrastructure is 50 to 100 years old and is nearing the end of its original projected lifespan. It also details the millions and billions of dollars we spend every year at all levels of government just to maintain our current crumbling infrastructure. With technological advances, we could not only replace it, but often improve it giving us increased efficiancy and also freeing up those annual expenses and work hours to be used to create new opportunities in the economy.
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    Re: What are you, politically?

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    I can never figure out where to put myself, so why don't you guys decide for me.

    I identify as socialist as I believe in 100% income sharing -- voluntary, before you conservatives have an anuerism, yes I said VOLUNTARY. No force, stealing, etc...
    That said here I am on everything else:

    Social Issues
    Pro-choice but not yet decisive on when life begins (i do have a theory), I also do not WANT people to have abortions, but it is not my choice to make
    Pro-gun
    Anti-capital punishment
    Pro assisted suicide
    Absolute protester of the First Amendment
    Pro-gay rights
    Pro-civil rights
    (My friends argue that the below listed views do not jive with my above listed views. please note that I am against regulating the below listed issues)
    Anti-Drug laws
    Anti-Alcohol laws
    Anti-Tobacco and smoking laws
    Anti-Gambling laws
    Anti- Prostitution laws

    (Got some huge lobby attention in that list)

    Foreign Affairs

    Um.. this might be weird but how about feed our own first?
    There are some conflicts we have no business being involved in
    Ambassadorship promotes growth and cooperation
    Keep good relations so we can work together / learn and everyone can travel freely

    Fiscal Policy

    We know my ideal-- 100% income sharing, but if I have to live in the US:

    Stop spending money on aesthetics for government buildings!
    Stop borrowing money!
    Stop spending and taxing for public schools and home school children in a community (organize after school groups for socializing) THUS lowering taxing and spending
    Hate to say it guys -- but greed is not good. If you can afford 8 houses and Joe from down the street lives in his car --well then you pay more taxes
    If you quit spending money on all the things mentioned in "social issues" that I am "ANTI" then you will save

    Is that enough? I realize I am putting myself out there and will probably puty myself at a disadvantage in some threads now.... but I am an honest person and believe in transparency.

    Edit: Forgot religion, let everyone believe what they want, I have no god, I have theories, but no god.
    You saved me a lot of time outside of gun control everything you say matches up well. I would add a few things. I am anti gun and anti military. I believe the best defense is being a good neighbor and not acting superior to the neighborhood. How can anyone who has nuclear weapons tell others they can't.
    I think the prison system should actually work toward making a convict a productive citizen and not make them a better and more dangerous criminal.
    I lean a little more toward the Utopian ideal and do think that if we gave it a chance we could make it.
    I am also against private land ownership. I also think that necessary commodities, such as oil, electric, medicines, medical care and so on should not be subject to profit swings i.e market swings and speculation. Incomes should be leveled to a place where no one makes more than 50 times more than anyone else. Education at the higher levels should also be free.
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    Re: What are you, politically?

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    I think infrastructure is one of the best places to invest when the economy is down. It is true it does only create short term jobs, but unlike a lot of make work programs or outright hand outs (like unemployment extensions) it leaves something of value behind while also injecting money into the economy in the short term.

    I saw a great special that was made a few years ago called the Crumbling of America or something and it details how most of our infrastructure is 50 to 100 years old and is nearing the end of its original projected lifespan. It also details the millions and billions of dollars we spend every year at all levels of government just to maintain our current crumbling infrastructure. With technological advances, we could not only replace it, but often improve it giving us increased efficiancy and also freeing up those annual expenses and work hours to be used to create new opportunities in the economy.
    Having good infrastructure is great. But do you need a building that costs 20M when a building that costs 5M would do nicely.
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    Re: What are you, politically?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Having good infrastructure is great. But do you need a building that costs 20M when a building that costs 5M would do nicely.
    Who's talking about buildings? I'm talking about highways, roads, bridges, our power grid, and sewer and water lines.

    You saved me a lot of time outside of gun control everything you say matches up well. I would add a few things. I am anti gun and anti military. I believe the best defense is being a good neighbor and not acting superior to the neighborhood. How can anyone who has nuclear weapons tell others they can't.
    That's a great defense if you also have good neighbors, but if you have aggressive self interested neighbors then you need something a little more intimidating than good intentions to keep them at bay. Same is true with guns. A gun free society would be great, if there were no criminals to worry about. But there are criminals and a lot of folks don't want to rely on a squad car being at the right place at the right time to save them, their family, or their property from harm.

    I don't understand how anyone can be anti-military. Its almost universally recognized as a legitimate role of government. Now you can against interventionism or imperialism, that's one thing. But to say we shouldn't have a military that's just kinda naive. Its like saying we shouldn't have police.
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    Re: What are you, politically?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I can live with an extremely strict social safety net system, but it would be so limited that it would not be recognizable compared to current standards. Iow, you would have to be blind and deaf, or have all limbs missing, or be literally terminally ill to receive benefits. No bennies for mental disabilities, and no children would be on SSI. Social security would pay out to an individual no more than he contributed, period. There would be no ag subsidies, no oil subsidies, no green energy subsidies, and no arts funding. I could go on and on, but you guys get the point.
    I could go along with this, with the additional note that I would very much prefer such programs be created, as needed, at the town, county, or state level only. The states united in their federation in order to accomplish tasks none of them could accomplish on their own. These tasks were basically common defense and establishing a free trade zone among themselves. Aside from these functions, there is nothing the federal government can do that any of the states could do for themselves. So, I would say that the decision as to whether any sort of government assistance ought to be given should lie solely in the hands of state and local governments.

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    Re: What are you, politically?

    Somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan, apparently.

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    Re: What are you, politically?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan, apparently.
    wasn't he a Commy?

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    Re: What are you, politically?

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    Who's talking about buildings? I'm talking about highways, roads, bridges, our power grid, and sewer and water lines.



    That's a great defense if you also have good neighbors, but if you have aggressive self interested neighbors then you need something a little more intimidating than good intentions to keep them at bay. Same is true with guns. A gun free society would be great, if there were no criminals to worry about. But there are criminals and a lot of folks don't want to rely on a squad car being at the right place at the right time to save them, their family, or their property from harm.

    I don't understand how anyone can be anti-military. Its almost universally recognized as a legitimate role of government. Now you can against interventionism or imperialism, that's one thing. But to say we shouldn't have a military that's just kinda naive. Its like saying we shouldn't have police.
    I was referring to the waste on ostentatious buildings. I can agree on highways, power grid and so on.
    I can be anti-military, it doesn't mean the world will change. Humans can always find a way to fight with violence. It starts in the sand box and only changes by the degree with which we do damage to others. I find it senseless. It certainly is not naive to desire a peaceful planet.
    When people start out believing military is necessary there is no chance for anyone to change. Just goes to show from your attitude alone how silly the idea of peace and peaceful solutions are. I try not to be so negative about humanity. It seems in your eyes though humanity has no hope and will always end in death and violence.
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