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    Re: Should the govt verify the identity of a person attempting to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    You suggested a new law that would be almost identical to the real new laws (currently being thrown out by Federal Courts)...

    As a libertarian, why would you enact a national law with all the cost and bureaucracy to solve an nonexistent problem?

    Makes no sense.
    It does exist, you said so yourself.

    Voter fraud is NOT a significant problem
    This implies it is a problem, but you dont think its significant. The question I asked though, was that since a majority think elections should be secure, a federal law to streamline the process makes sense. In fact, as a libertarian, this makes more sense than 50 differnt laws for a federal process and a bureacracy to manage those laws and lawsuits. One federal standard would cost less and have less bureacracy. You could probably get rid of many laws and redundant depts and save money.

    But the question I asked was should the govt verify identity at all. You have yet to answer.

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    Re: Should the govt verify the identity of a person attempting to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    It does exist, you said so yourself.



    This implies it is a problem, but you dont think its significant. The question I asked though, was that since a majority think elections should be secure, a federal law to streamline the process makes sense. In fact, as a libertarian, this makes more sense than 50 differnt laws for a federal process and a bureacracy to manage those laws and lawsuits. One federal standard would cost less and have less bureacracy. You could probably get rid of many laws and redundant depts and save money.

    But the question I asked was should the govt verify identity at all. You have yet to answer.
    Government does verify.

    You sign your name verifying you are who you say.

    In order to commit voter fraud you have to show up at a polling place with the name of someone who won't show up after you or before you. And hope that no one there knows the person whose name you're using. And BTW, you couldn't do it twice at the same polling place. Or maybe after they change shifts, but think of all the effort you're going to have to put forth just to cast a few extra votes.

    In order to commit voter fraud on a level that might matter, sway an election, you'd have to have the massive coordination of busloads of people PLUS you'd have to access to voting rolls and the names of people you're sure will not vote.

    It's impossible.

    But leave it to Fox News to lie about the reality and make white folks all worried that blacks are going to trick the polls and get Obama a second term...

    Why don't the suspicious voters just wear arm bands with a yellow star?? That's basically what you're suggesting.
    Last edited by hazlnut; 03-14-12 at 03:27 PM.

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    Re: Should the govt verify the identity of a person attempting to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Government does verify.

    You sign your name verifying you are who you say.

    A signature on a piece of paper doesn't verify ****.
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    Re: Should the govt verify the identity of a person attempting to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A signature on a piece of paper doesn't verify ****.
    Why not?

    Once you've voted, no one else can use your name.

    If someone does use your name before you get to the polls, you can fill out a form and vote anyway. The information you give will help them determine what happened and possibly disqualify the fake ballot. (if it matters at all)

    This is what gets me, if you people would just take a moment and THINK about the logistics of one person casting say just 10 fraudulent votes... You'd see how stupid this is. I can say in California that once a death certificate is issued, the state registrar is notified and the name is removed. So you'd have to know the names of 10 people who won't show up to vote. And then think about this, can any polling expert anywhere say for absolute certainty which way each swing state is going to swing? Can you say for absolute certainty which way swing districts are going to swing. To commit voter fraud in a such a way as to guarantee you won't get caught and get enough fraudulent votes counted to really swing a swing district or state the opposite direction, because that would be the goal right, to change the outcome-- you could never get enough people to pull it off. If you're just getting your rocks off messing with people, then you're a jerk.

    All those stories you heard last November about voter fraud, ALL of them were DEBUNKED. They were basically fake stories being used to build support for laws that would disenfranchise people likely to vote dem.

    Please people, let's stop trying to pretend we don't know what this is and who is trying to do it...

    Electronic voting machines is an entirely different thing, both sides have gotten their hands dirty with those. But when you have a polling place with 1500 names on the roll and 2000 ballots in the box, the box is flagged and those votes are not counted until the ballots can be examined.

    I've worked at a polling places. It is impossible to commit voter fraud on a scale that would matter.

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    Re: Should the govt verify the identity of a person attempting to vote?

    Every time I've gone to vote, both in DC and New York, they had a list of people who were registered to vote at that location. And they checked you off when you arrived. So... yeah, they already do take safeguards, and they work just fine.
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    Re: Should the govt verify the identity of a person attempting to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Every time I've gone to vote, both in DC and New York, they had a list of people who were registered to vote at that location. And they checked you off when you arrived. So... yeah, they already do take safeguards, and they work just fine.
    Thank you.

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    Re: Should the govt verify the identity of a person attempting to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Every time I've gone to vote, both in DC and New York, they had a list of people who were registered to vote at that location. And they checked you off when you arrived. So... yeah, they already do take safeguards, and they work just fine.
    Huh... you know I was registered in my same state in 2 different areas - they never knew it until I told them. They had my name on a little sheet and checked it off as I arrived too.
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    Re: Should the govt verify the identity of a person attempting to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Why not?

    Once you've voted, no one else can use your name.

    If someone does use your name before you get to the polls, you can fill out a form and vote anyway. The information you give will help them determine what happened and possibly disqualify the fake ballot. (if it matters at all)
    You are aware that ballots are anonymous. So how do the disqualify the fake ballot?


    I've worked at a polling places.
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    It is impossible to commit voter fraud on a scale that would matter.
    No its not.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 03-14-12 at 04:12 PM.
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    Re: Should the govt verify the identity of a person attempting to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Thank you.

    It's probably easier to rig a world series.
    Easy for the people who have access to the machines, especially the computerized voting machines. For a person to walk in the front door and cast multiple votes or vote with a fake identity is quite difficult.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Huh... you know I was registered in my same state in 2 different areas - they never knew it until I told them. They had my name on a little sheet and checked it off as I arrived too.
    And yet neither you nor anyone else tried to take advantage of that to cast false votes.
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    Re: Should the govt verify the identity of a person attempting to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    And yet neither you nor anyone else tried to take advantage of that to cast false votes.
    Yep. Damn morals and values!
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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