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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Really now!!!!!! That is a shock. So when somebody puts an ad in the paper advertising their store - they are not open to the public?
    That doesn't mean they don't have any rules on acceptance to their property. It means they are trying to get word out there about their business.

    The public and their taxpayer money helped make that business possible. Unless the guy is on his own private island which was totally paid for by himself, the public and public money helped make that business possible.
    That has nothing to do with who OWNS the property. Even if you helped make his business what it is today that does NOT make you the owner of such property nor does it allow you to trump his word. There is a such thing as private property, hay.

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    You say that as an excuse to make a blanket statement about how EVERYTHING has taxpayer funding and/or government support - akin to Obama saying "you didn't build that".

    Leave it to a liberal to take credit for another's work.
    Nobody is taking credit of anothers work. Unless of course you are referring to right wingers who want to ignore the contributions of the larger society as part of their success.
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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why do you think there is such a Grand Canyon sized gulf between the experts in History and Political Science who rate the Presidents in the various surveys and the right in America? And even then its only the grass roots right. Even the right leaning experts still pick Washington, Lincoln and FDR as great. So what is it about the right libertarians and some conservatives that they continue to stand out as outliers in this regard?

    Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    It's not important to me. To me, this is similar to discussing who is the greatest ball player and such. I'm just grateful that we've been fortunate to have the right man in the job during our most serious times regardless of political affiliation.

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That doesn't mean they don't have any rules on acceptance to their property. It means they are trying to get word out there about their business.



    That has nothing to do with who OWNS the property. Even if you helped make his business what it is today that does NOT make you the owner of such property nor does it allow you to trump his word. There is a such thing as private property, hay.
    Nobody is saying the owner is not the owner. That is a strawman which has nothing to do with the law on public accommodations.
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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Thanks for quoting what our little talk was about, haymarket.

    Next time it might serve you well to not end with a fallacy.

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Nobody is saying the owner is not the owner. That is a strawman which has nothing to do with the law on public accommodations.
    Actually it has everything to do with it. Look back on the what I said about ownership and relate it back to the topic.

    You can not claim the property is open to the public and the owner has no ability to control access and then come back and say the ownership picture hasn't changed.

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    It's not important to me. To me, this is similar to discussing who is the greatest ball player and such. I'm just grateful that we've been fortunate to have the right man in the job during our most serious times regardless of political affiliation.
    I was once in a restaurant in a hotel where the Boston Celtics were staying on the road. In the table right behind me were several media people like Johnny Most, Tom Heinson, and Bob Ryan. Between all three of them, they had spent over a century in professional basketball and had seen more games than probably any other three people I could name.

    They got around to what I soon found out was probably part 639 of a long going discussion on who was the greatest five players of all time. Now I do not remember who each defended that day, but I walked away with a profound respect for opinion that was based on experience, education, insight and knowledge and opinion based on god only knows what else.

    My point was a simple one: when we look at polls of experts in the fields of American History and Political Science over the past seventy years, the same three men all rank as GREAT for their service as US Presidents. Even the Federalist Society sponsored polls still picked Washington, Lincoln and FDR as GREAT. And the Federalist Society is a libertarian based group.

    However, libertarians and some on the right have made hating Lincoln and FDR one of their cause celebres.

    So the question is why? What are they looking at or what are they ignoring that even libertarian experts are honest enough to acknowledge?
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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Nobody is taking credit of anothers work. Unless of course you are referring to right wingers who want to ignore the contributions of the larger society as part of their success.
    That is exactly what you are doing and then using it towards claims of ownership and control.

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Actually it has everything to do with it. Look back on the what I said about ownership and relate it back to the topic.

    You can not claim the property is open to the public and the owner has no ability to control access and then come back and say the ownership picture hasn't changed.
    I do not have to claim anything. I gave you the law on the matter which says so.
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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That is exactly what you are doing and then using it towards claims of ownership and control.
    How so? I give credit to ALL who made that business possible.
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