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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Webb View Post
    This is probably a bad idea for a poll. I just want to apologize right now for starting this poll. I'm already embarrassed...

    Here's one opinion:

    Top 10 Most Influential Presidents
    By Martin Kelly, About.com Guide

    "Of the 43 men who have been president of the United States, there are some truly clear choices of who were the most important and influential presidents.

    1. Abraham Lincoln
    Abraham Lincoln saved the Union during the American Civil War. His leadership during the war was one of no compromise but at the same time understanding that he would eventually have to unite the states once the North won the war. His actions eventually led to the abolition of slavery across the United States."


    Ranking the Top Ten Most Influential Presidents

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    Here's another source:

    Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States

    "George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Franklin D. Roosevelt are consistently ranked at the top of the lists."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor..._United_States

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    And another:

    Lincoln wins: Honest Abe tops new presidential survey

    "It's been 145 years since Abraham Lincoln appeared on a ballot, but admiration for the man who saved the union and sparked the end of slavery is as strong as ever, according to a new survey.

    Lincoln finished first in a ranking by historians of the 42 former White House occupants."


    Lincoln wins: Honest Abe tops new presidential survey - CNN

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    Does everyone agree?

    How long was Killing Lincoln by Bill O'Reilly the New York Times best-seller? It's still in the no. 2 position right now.

    I can't find anyone that's critical of Honest Abe. I guess this is a non-subject to everyone. I apologize again, I'm sorry.
    One of the greatest presidents of all past time and time to come. He was a master politician and humanist. Everything he did was to preserve the union, which without it, we would be sitting here typing on our computers criticizing him.
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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    A. The Federalist Papers weren't legal documents.

    B. Read the last clause. Being a NATION is contradictory to the authority of a State of a Union.
    The Federalist Papers weren't legal documents, but these are the papers that the authors of the Constitution used to sell the Constitution to the states. Wouldn't it be a valid analysis to see what the states themselves thought that they were signing off on?

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning View Post
    One of the greatest presidents of all past time and time to come. He was a master politician and humanist. Everything he did was to preserve the union, which without it, we would be sitting here typing on our computers criticizing him.
    History is written by the victors.

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    Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    History is written by the victors.
    Not really. How else could you explain the tremendous influence of Southern historians with a particular outlook on the War and Reconstruction, gathering favor in the historiography until the 1950s and 1960s?

    Southerners might have conceded the legality on secession, but they were able to deliver quite stable interpretations on the War: "state's rights" (obscuring the many times where it was otherwise), "agricultural versus industrial" (obscuring planter class versus poor farmer), slavery being a fond paternalistic institution, the future reconciliation between the North and the South.

    Then on reconstruction: the innate "inferiority of blacks", the overstepping of bounds by the North on the South, the circus of black politicians in the South and in Washington D.C., so on and so forth.

    It wasn't until generations later that people started to criticize each of these mantras held by southern historians who were the institutionalized memory of the antebellum and Reconstruction years.
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