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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    Where cry baby is someone who whines about law that isn't going to change over and over and over. Like the law that bans white only apartment buildings for example.
    Are you one of those people that doesn't wish to hear any sort of disagreement with this law? I have noticed over the years that whenever I bring it up I almost always will be a called racist at some point, people will defend the law by itself and then go back to racism charges. Of course, at some point they will mention that they are open to the public and will of course almost always say something about it being unfair and or a violation of the peoples rights if they are not allowed in a businesses. Of course, none of those charges have any merit, but alas, that is par for the course when defending this law.
    Last edited by Henrin; 03-12-13 at 10:28 PM.

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why cry about rights being violated by the state? What an odd question.
    Hey, stop being so uppity and do what your told. And quit your whining!

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why cry about rights being violated by the state? What an odd question.
    Except they aren't being violated by you not being able to open a white only business.

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Are you one of those people that doesn't wish to hear any sort of disagreement with this law? I have noticed over the years that whenever I bring it up I almost always will be a called racist at some point, people will defend the law by itself and then go back to racism charges. Of course, at some point they will mention that they are open to the public and will of course almost always say something about it being unfair and or a violation of the peoples rights if they are not allowed in a businesses. Of course, none of those charges have any merit, but alas, that is par for the course when defending this law.
    It is a good and just law. That you harp on it forever begs the question why you want to go back to the old days of discrimination.

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I gave you reality to support my view and you gave me the law to support the law. You figure it out.

    Supporting my view details that I look how people behave with property in nature and society and I did that. What you did was say its the law and when you got cornered repeat that it's the law.
    I live in the nation which has those laws that I used to explain reality to you and how we deal with property and balancing the rights of people.

    You gave me your fantasyland where you get to make it up as you go along. Lots of people look at things the way they want to. Those who do so crossing the border between reality and fantasy tend to have real problems.
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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I live in the nation which has those laws that I used to explain reality to you and how we deal with property and balancing the rights of people.
    There is no rights to balance, so that doesn't fly, sorry. They have no right of access towards the property in question and the other individual has the right to control access. Do you think that when we consider rights we should decide which rights to violate and which to not? If you do, then sorry, but that is the wrong approach to take in a free society.

    You gave me your fantasyland where you get to make it up as you go along. Lots of people look at things the way they want to. Those who do so crossing the border between reality and fantasy tend to have real problems.
    My view is supported by reality itself, so I have little idea what you are talking about. Do you think law is all there is to consider?

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    It is a good and just law. That you harp on it forever begs the question why you want to go back to the old days of discrimination.
    Any law that violates the rights of people can not be a good and just law, sorry.

    I already explained to you that it has nothing to do with a desire to discriminate or go back to days of old, but a desire to restore rights stripped by the state.
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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Any law that violates the rights of people can not be a good and just law, sorry.

    I already explained to you that it has nothing to do with a desire to discriminate or go back to days of old, but a desire to restore rights stripped by the state.
    The right to have a business that discriminates is what you want. We aren't going back to those days.

    There are many constitutional rights that have been lost and or are in real danger. That you focus on being able to open a white only drug store seems odd.

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    The right to have a business that discriminates is what you want. We aren't going back to those days.
    Then you're refusing to respect the rights of people to control access to their property due to fear of discrimination.

    There are many constitutional rights that have been lost and or are in real danger. That you focus on being able to open a white only drug store seems odd.
    I talk of many issues dealing with such things. This issue here I just enjoy talking about and find it interesting how no one can seem to muster up a good argument to support the law.

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Henrin. I see that your lean says libertarian. Is your stance based upon the non-aggression principle?

    If I understand what the libertarians are saying, it is that it is always wrong to initiate violence against another person. Thus, it is wrong to initiate violence against a person in order to force him to grant access to his property.

    So, while the property owner who excludes people for no other reason than that they are white, black, straight, gay, etc. may be acting in an abhorrent manner, he is not actually initiating violence against anyone, and therefore it would be wrong to initiate violence against him to make him comply with your wishes?

    I'm just trying to understand the libertarian reasoning on this issue.

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