Oh for the love of Christ. Self-determination is not in and of itself the holiest of holy causes. It also matters why and what you are fighting for. If the Founding Fathers had decided to take up their muskets in the name of defending their rights as slave owners from a 'tyrannical' Britain they would have richly deserved to be suppressed. People have advocated for terrible causes with terrible outcomes before, and the Confederacy was just such a case. I don't care what the State Legislature of Virginia or Alabam had to say about secession it was for an immoral cause and would have undermined Republican rule and the strength of America for all time. I'm glad it was crushed, I'll be damned if some plantation politicians and aristocratic state legislators were going to wrench America apart, sap us of our unity and strength, and discredit the notion popular rule.
Last edited by ChezC3; 03-11-13 at 09:18 PM.
I shouldn't need to produce the Constitution. The SCOTUS ruling means that secession is not permitted by the Constitution.(a law which you've still failed to produce, and can't because there was none)
The US isn't a confederation of states, that's why the Articles were repealed. It started that way but people realized that was stupid.This is about Sovereign States of a Union no longer recognizing the Federal authority it allowed itself to be subject to. The authority, again, is given and had from the consent of the governed. When elected representives of any given state have their populations approval to disjoin, than that consent is revoked and any "legality" is null and void.
But you say the SCOTUS ruled secession was illegal, so does that mean even during the civil war the entire south was still considered part of the untion?
Early voting in Georgia. On the 20th of October this old Goldwater conservative voted against both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton by casting my vote for Gary Johnson. Neither Trump or Clinton belong within a million miles of the Oval Office.
Yes, you're claiming that a law was broke, I asked for you to show where it was explicitly laid out. Law does need to be explicit lest you have sophistry exclusively, which is what the SCOTUS engaged in.
For there to be a "more perfect union" you must be uniting something, what was that something? seperate and sovereign States.