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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    The South was not enslaved in any way, shape, or form. What happened in the Philippines was far closer to enslavement than the Civil War, considering that the South wasn't simply made a territory but received the rights of states again.
    Certainly it was, as was the US as a whole from then on.

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Like you changing the context of the emancipation of slaves to them being illegally emancipated by a foreign power? The CSA was not a legal government because it was not recognized by any nation and because it existed contrary to the laws of its rightful government.
    Never did change the context, but nice try. Of course the CSA was a legal government. It had beligerent status with governments though and the Tyrant all but explicitly stated he'd go to war with any country that did recognize them. Again aggression, the actions of a despot if ever there was one.
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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So like Indiana Jones in RAIDERS, you are just making all this up as you go along?

    You claim that ownership gives you certain rights. I point out that we live in the USA and show you the law which says you do NOT have the rights you claim you do.

    So where are you getting these ownership rights from?
    Regardless, the "property" which was "owned" that the South seceded to protect was other people.

    Try as they will to wiggle out of it, Confederate apologists miss that point entirely. So they'll say "Well, slavery was bad, but...the North was trampling on the rights of the South." Trampling on their "right" to own other people as property.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    One thing that people who whine and cry about what an evil repressive conqueror Lincoln was often forget is that the Confederacy attacked first.

    Another thing they also forget is that the Confederacy was far harsher in terms of punishing dissent than was the Union.

    When they bring up that reunification and slavery quote by Lincoln, they forget his lifetime support for abolitionism. Preserving the Union was more important to him than ending slavery, but he made it clear that he had preferred slavery to end than to have kept going.
    The CSA was defending its territory from interlopers.

    Much like the Revolutionaries to the loyalists 90 years before, eh?

    The entire argument is about the Tyrant's cause for the War of Aggression was because of secession, not slavery. You seem to have just implicitly agreed, thank you.
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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    I'm not racist BUT I can't stand Lincoln. Stomped on the constitution (figuratively) and waged a war on non combatants using dictatorial tactics, and his armies committed atrocities everywhere. he is my least favorite president along with Obama. The problem is, no one believes me because one hundred ish years of brainwashing has done its job.

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Calvincoolidge View Post
    I'm not racist BUT I can't stand Lincoln. Stomped on the constitution (figuratively) and waged a war on non combatants using dictatorial tactics, and his armies committed atrocities everywhere. he is my least favorite president along with Obama. The problem is, no one believes me because one hundred ish years of brainwashing has done its job.

    We should be thankful that he preserved the Union. Without him, the United States as we know it today would not exist.


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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Just to annoy the Confederate Apologists I'm going to say Lincoln was right.
    "Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough."
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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    We should be thankful that he preserved the Union. Without him, the United States as we know it today would not exist.
    Oh. You mean the USA with no knock warrants, police state tactics, and constitutional overreaches? The one that bosses the states around when they constitutionally aren't allowed to?


    ***Disclaimer: I love the USA and the constitution, just disagree with our (most of them) ridiculous leaders***

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Calvincoolidge View Post
    Oh. You mean the USA with no knock warrants, police state tactics, and constitutional overreaches? The one that bosses the states around when they constitutionally aren't allowed to?


    ***Disclaimer: I love the USA and the constitution, just disagree with our (most of them) ridiculous leaders***
    Pretty much. Still the best place to live.


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    But Lincoln made it worse.. The CSA and the USA could co exist in alternate history if Lincoln didn't pursue the war

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