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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Secession is beyond legality. Secession is denying the authority who is enforcing the legality.

    It's not illegal if you don't recognize the authority behind the law. You don't recognize the law because you don't recognize its authority.

    It then becomes a matter of force. Does the denounced authority have the capability to force its authority, and by extension its laws upon the those who don't give their consent? If it does, is this not tyranny? Yes, yes it is.

    We are a country where our government's authority is derived from the consent of the governed.(supposedly) If enough people in a territory, a State revoke their consent and place it in the hands of another, than the government who lost their consent can pound sand.

    Legal shmeagal...
    It's not tyranny to punish a crime.
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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    One thing that people who whine and cry about what an evil repressive conqueror Lincoln was often forget is that the Confederacy attacked first.

    Another thing they also forget is that the Confederacy was far harsher in terms of punishing dissent than was the Union.

    When they bring up that reunification and slavery quote by Lincoln, they forget his lifetime support for abolitionism. Preserving the Union was more important to him than ending slavery, but he made it clear that he had preferred slavery to end than to have kept going.
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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Could you explain what the wilds of nature has to do with the property laws in the United States of America where we both live?
    Do you believe the creation of society causes property to behave differently haymarket?

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Belief without action is hypocrisy. Kudos for standing up for him.
    Um, the Emancipation Proclamation? Thirteenth Amendment?
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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Do you believe the creation of society causes property to behave differently haymarket?
    Just how does property "behave"?

    and the question you did not answer......Could you explain what the wilds of nature has to do with the property laws in the United States of America where we both live?
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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm asking you where it gave rise to people being seen as equal and created a general acceptance of those people. Go ahead and find an example of that. Forcing people to behave in the way you want and them doing so on their own free will are not equal.
    The problem was that there was no guarantee that slavery would soon end. It was dying down previously, but the invention of the cotton gin led to its rise. And there is no guarantee that a more peaceful emancipation would have led to faster equality. Look at Jews in Europe at around the same time, they were emancipated from the ghetto, given some rights, had those rights taken away, wash, rinse, repeat until the Holocaust.
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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Actually only this quote harms me:



    The rest where either made to the public or after I was referring when he was politically motivated towards those ends.
    Why does that bother you? It's exactly what you are suggesting 170 years later.
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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    He freed slaves while enslaving a nation.
    The South was not enslaved in any way, shape, or form. What happened in the Philippines was far closer to enslavement than the Civil War, considering that the South wasn't simply made a territory but received the rights of states again.
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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Again you change context to suit your needs...
    Like you changing the context of the emancipation of slaves to them being illegally emancipated by a foreign power? The CSA was not a legal government because it was not recognized by any nation and because it existed contrary to the laws of its rightful government.
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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    It's not tyranny to punish a crime.
    What crime is that exactly?

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