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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    and moments later, Pavlov's dogs rush in to kill any statement not loaded down with adoration and lovey dovey bull**** about Lincoln by defaulting to the tired old "omg racism", because they have no other argument in their arsenal.
    Well when faced with Licoln was a tyrant who wouldn't continue to honor the white man owning the black racism is the most obvious conclusion.

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    Well when faced with Licoln was a tyrant who wouldn't continue to honor the white man owning the black racism is the most obvious conclusion.
    Have fun with your tired old lines.
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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I was once in a restaurant in a hotel where the Boston Celtics were staying on the road. In the table right behind me were several media people like Johnny Most, Tom Heinson, and Bob Ryan. Between all three of them, they had spent over a century in professional basketball and had seen more games than probably any other three people I could name.

    They got around to what I soon found out was probably part 639 of a long going discussion on who was the greatest five players of all time. Now I do not remember who each defended that day, but I walked away with a profound respect for opinion that was based on experience, education, insight and knowledge and opinion based on god only knows what else.

    My point was a simple one: when we look at polls of experts in the fields of American History and Political Science over the past seventy years, the same three men all rank as GREAT for their service as US Presidents. Even the Federalist Society sponsored polls still picked Washington, Lincoln and FDR as GREAT. And the Federalist Society is a libertarian based group.

    However, libertarians and some on the right have made hating Lincoln and FDR one of their cause celebres.

    So the question is why? What are they looking at or what are they ignoring that even libertarian experts are honest enough to acknowledge?
    No, the question is why did we take away the holidays for Washington and Lincoln's birthdays and assign a day to Martin King.

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    Defending the right to own slaves is a good indicator of racism.
    Good thing no one is doing that.

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Good thing no one is doing that.
    When one says he was a tyrant that was his tyranny

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    It all goes back to consent of the governed. Once that is revoked any act which forces compliance from the unwilling is an act of tyranny.
    So, if a group of people feel like their government is acting without their consent, it's alright to raise a rebellion?

    If a government forces a group of people to free their slaves against the slave owners consent, is that an act tyranny? According to your definition, which is "any act which forces compliance from the unwilling", that is tyranny.

    If that's tyranny, give me tyranny any day.

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    It's always important to note that the United States actually played a very small part in the worldwide slavery industry. Out of twelve million slaves brought to the New World, the United States only received 600,000, about 5%.

    The American blacks and America hating Liberals try very hard to portray the United States as the Slavery Hub of the world, but that is simply untrue, slavery was primarily a Spanish, Portuguese and French enterprise.

    Lincoln actually thought it would be good to send the blacks back to Africa, but it's difficult to find comments on that proposal from the blacks, even now.
    Leave it to you to turn it into "evil Libruls"

    I thought the GOP was the "party of Lincoln." Yet you badmouth a great man, one of the greatest Presidents we've ever had from any party.


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    and moments later, Pavlov's dogs rush in to kill any statement not loaded down with adoration and lovey dovey bull**** about Lincoln by defaulting to the tired old "omg racism", because they have no other argument in their arsenal.
    The same can be said to the people who view him in the worst possible light imaginable.

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Belief without action is hypocrisy. Kudos for standing up for him.
    No, that is not hypocrisy. Hypocrisy would be Lincoln saying "I want to end slavery" and then start owning slaves.

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    When one says he was a tyrant that was his tyranny
    ChezC3? He is talking about the war itself and what it means to be governed by consent. He is not talking about slavery at all.

    There is something to be said about a union not allowing itself to be split under any conditions.

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